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Ethiopian pilot pleaded for training after Lion Air Boeing 737 Max crash
Just days after a Lion Air Boeing 737 Max nosedived in Indonesia and killed all 189 people aboard, an Ethiopian Airlines pilot began pleading with his bosses for more training on the Max, warning that crews could easily be overwhelmed in a crisis and that one of their planes could be the next to go down. “We are asking for trouble,” veteran pilot Bernd Kai von Hoesslin wrote in a December email obtained by The Associated Press, adding that if several alarms go off in the cockpit at once, “it… (www.yahoo.com) Altro...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
The Question I have is over 350 people dead and no one has lost their job at Boeing the CEO should be gone!
Stalin executed his scientists that failed in the Russian space program, the quality of scientists and the lack of scientists putting themselves forward for the program in genuine fear is why they lost the race to the moon. You can't react in this way sacking the very staff they may be the few needed to fix the issues they're already familiar with.
Yeah...wait till the issues are fixed, and then sack them.
Chuckle, as long as it was the idiots who pushed for the option out of sensor disagreement system.
Knee jerk reactions never solve anything and usually wind up making things worse. If every CEO who's company's product killed someone was fired, we'd soon be playing a game of musical CEOs in every industry and exacerbate the problem.
Obviously not the CEOs of companies such as Browning, Ruger and Smith & Wesson, but in general terms I agree with your premise in your post.
What is the current death toll from "mass" shootings in the USA since 01/01/2019, compared with the number of people killed by Boeing 737 MAX airliners?
Just wondering.....
What is the current death toll from "mass" shootings in the USA since 01/01/2019, compared with the number of people killed by Boeing 737 MAX airliners?
Just wondering.....
* updated. I now have the stats; defining a "mass shooting as "four or more people shot"; from 01/Jan/2019 to 01/Jun/2019 inclusive, there were 149 fatalities within the USA. SO, not quite reaching the 159 killed in the Ethiopian crash and short of the 189 wiped out in the Lion Air initial Max crash. But effectively one death per day thus far throughout 2019. But by Christmas.....
Should check out the stats on road deaths in China then...
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1952218/traffics-toll-road-accidents-kill-700-people-day-china
Although any death is terrible, airline flight is still a safe way to travel.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/1952218/traffics-toll-road-accidents-kill-700-people-day-china
Although any death is terrible, airline flight is still a safe way to travel.
Ones chances of getting hit by lighting are 10 times greater than getting shot in a mass shooting in the US, Fact gun violence in the US as a whole has decreased by 50% since 1980. Cars kill folks at a higher rate than guns and Opioids at a 100 times that rate. All depends on what your agenda is on what you push.
Real 737 known facts yes Boeing screwed up by not understanding that when the Angle of Attack indicators do not agree and the flaps are retracted and the autopilot is not engaged the MCAS will push the nose over to prevent a stall and will do so until shut down. MCAS was intended to be a safety system that did not have an out unless you shut down the auto trim and the speed was with in limits so you can use the manual trim wheel. Which the pilots did do but then turned it back on. Was the training inadequate absolutely. It took me 200 hours of flight instruction to get my private pilot, instrument and complex aircraft licenses/certifications. I certainly am not qualified to fly a 737 of any type. The 1st officer only had 250 hours and he had an Air Transport Pilots License which in the US would take an average of 350 hours for a multi engine jet aircraft. You would also need 1500 hours to get hired by an airlines. Confirmed causes for the 2nd crash. The Boeing software did not compensate for AOA sensors that did not agree, the planes airspeed was excessively high and over recommended max speed, the pilots turned off the auto trim but turned it back in which doomed the flight, Contributing issues the captain in many foreign airlines has sole control of the aircraft so no team work or shared responsibilities, the second officer is responsible for all the paperwork unlike in the US where they share responsibilities. Just like in all the other things that take lives routinely, there are multiple contributors and no one cause or item is totally responsible. You have to solve all the contributing problems simultaneously or accidents will continue and deaths will continue to occur at lower rates until all the issues are resolved.
Real 737 known facts yes Boeing screwed up by not understanding that when the Angle of Attack indicators do not agree and the flaps are retracted and the autopilot is not engaged the MCAS will push the nose over to prevent a stall and will do so until shut down. MCAS was intended to be a safety system that did not have an out unless you shut down the auto trim and the speed was with in limits so you can use the manual trim wheel. Which the pilots did do but then turned it back on. Was the training inadequate absolutely. It took me 200 hours of flight instruction to get my private pilot, instrument and complex aircraft licenses/certifications. I certainly am not qualified to fly a 737 of any type. The 1st officer only had 250 hours and he had an Air Transport Pilots License which in the US would take an average of 350 hours for a multi engine jet aircraft. You would also need 1500 hours to get hired by an airlines. Confirmed causes for the 2nd crash. The Boeing software did not compensate for AOA sensors that did not agree, the planes airspeed was excessively high and over recommended max speed, the pilots turned off the auto trim but turned it back in which doomed the flight, Contributing issues the captain in many foreign airlines has sole control of the aircraft so no team work or shared responsibilities, the second officer is responsible for all the paperwork unlike in the US where they share responsibilities. Just like in all the other things that take lives routinely, there are multiple contributors and no one cause or item is totally responsible. You have to solve all the contributing problems simultaneously or accidents will continue and deaths will continue to occur at lower rates until all the issues are resolved.
Would love to find out where you got "Confirmed causes for the 2nd crash." I have read through the only report I have found so far, the prelim. report, 3x and find it very disturbing, not on the pilots but on the way the craft was acting, even with autopilot engaged. Auto trim was executed on after failure to manually move the trim wheels when it was switched off.
Plus the 1st officer had a CPL not a ATPL..he had 361 hrs and was on his way to getting his ATPL..from what I have read about getting a pilots licence over there, it is not a walk in the park at all...not like before.
Am I attempting to deflect any blame from the pilots..no, but at same time we were not in that cockpit and can only go by sounds and graphs. That and the new news out from Boeing about slat failures on B737NG and MAX.
Plus the 1st officer had a CPL not a ATPL..he had 361 hrs and was on his way to getting his ATPL..from what I have read about getting a pilots licence over there, it is not a walk in the park at all...not like before.
Am I attempting to deflect any blame from the pilots..no, but at same time we were not in that cockpit and can only go by sounds and graphs. That and the new news out from Boeing about slat failures on B737NG and MAX.
Dennis - I don't have an agenda; I was picking up on the Bill Babis comment about "if the CEO of every company..." post.
I am interested in your "ten times more likely to be hit by lightning" comment - which decade dod you source your stats from. I ask, because the US National Weather Service publication "Storm Data" recorded a total of 449 deaths from lightning strikes between 1998 and 2008. According to the National Weather Service, lightning causes an average of 62 deaths and 300 injuries in the United States each year.
I am interested in your "ten times more likely to be hit by lightning" comment - which decade dod you source your stats from. I ask, because the US National Weather Service publication "Storm Data" recorded a total of 449 deaths from lightning strikes between 1998 and 2008. According to the National Weather Service, lightning causes an average of 62 deaths and 300 injuries in the United States each year.