Lion Air and Boeing Are Heading Into a $22 Billion Feud

Just the facts please! Asian airlines need to get over trying to save face and run an airline properly; Boeing needs to stop posturing like a peacock in this case. We all look forward to a factual evaluation of what happened in this most unfortunate situation.

Wow, everyone is an expert. How can you pass judgement before getting facts. Let’s get the facts and then come to a conclusion.

Very true Jeffrey.

The aircraft had problems in 4 of it's last 6 flights, Lion Air made the decision to use the aircraft despite of the problems. 3 of the flight crews knew what to do to correct the problem

Sounds like they may have trouble proving Boeing did anything wrong but want to squeeze them on there order of airplanes. SSDD just like the airline who tried the same when they couldn't figure out how to keep there 787s flying.

This was an error on the airlines part when they didn't replace the failing part and test fly it.

The problem Asia wide is a lack of training, and finding qualified pilots for the geometric increase in flights in the region.

They learn how to fly the airplane. They can often quote lines from the manual, but they learn by rote and have no critical examination skills. That is why when an airplane does not perform properly an incident turns into a disaster.

I am an avid aviation enthusiast and benefit from my son being a Airbus A-320 pilot.I have flown with him in a Citation 10,King Air 350,Meridian and just about every turbo prop and piston engine plane in the sky. When I asked him what the heck happened on this flight his first comment was training is everything when flying.Having retired from Law Enforcement I thoroughly understand human nature to pass judgement before having all the facts.Let the experts figure this out while the families of this horrible accident get the help they need to ease their suffering.

They haven't even found the other black box as far as I know! WTF?

On this forum, no matter how experienced we are, and no matter what the previous history of the participants (Boeing, Lion, crew) we can, at best, only speculate because we don't have good, complete data. Of the information that is actually, publicly available, it seems that Lion's threat is a pretty empty one--if they cancel those orders, what are they going to do for aircraft? Airbus is fully booked for years to come, so unless there's some major disruption to Airbus' production plans, there may be no other alternatives available.

This could and should of been designed out of the plane , you need to blame the Manufacture who designed this if it was a C series you bet that every one including Boeing would be all over this !

My thoughts are that there is only one thing Lion Air wants , it's that Boeing take on all the cost relating to this crash .This airline does not have a good safety record to start with.

Those money needs to be split between families left behind. Their lives changed forever by something that was designed to save lives, not to take.

Like I said before, both sides have very strong arguments and the respective outside lawyers are sallivating at the fees to be earned over the next say 5 years going on to 10?.

Everyone here seems to want to blame "the part" when in fact it is a design flaw from Boeing.

"losing face" is more important in Southeast Asian society than actually getting to the root of the issue. And a nice fat lawsuit says they are standing by their convictions. They will never learn from their mistakes.

All you so-called experts out there....very quick to place blame for a tragedy. Airline, Boeing or a combination of both? Wait for the full facts to be known before airing your opinions.

Had one really hot landing with Lion Air a couple of years ago and now would avoid them at any cost.

The pilots should have of shut of the failed stall protection system that caused the plane to crash.

They need to service their Plane before taking off.

Aircraft manufactured in this day and age can pretty much fly themselves from departure to arrival. The need for human beings on the flight deck is to monitor systems and troubleshoot anomalies. While hand flying skills are important, systems knowledge is imperative. You cannot exercise efficient CRM if you are ignorant to the function and details of all systems design and integration. While I pray for their souls and do not question the crews reactions in a extremely stressful moment, I am troubled that this fault occurred previously and was recognized and dealt with on previous flights. The fact that the problem still existed and the aircraft was cleared to fly lies with Lion Air.

Well said Mike....

Sum Ting Wong

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This is at least the 5th squawk about Lion Air canceling 737 orders, and that's not counting a dozen other articles about the crash and Lion Air's poor safety record. Enough already!