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Cirrus Aircraft Parachute Deployment Caught On Security Camera

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Incredible video. It's the 63rd successful CAPS deployment, with 127 survivors to date. (www.boldmethod.com) Altro...

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cfi2fly
In an a emergency situation you need to get through you initial shock -1-2-3, breath! Now you use your quick reference guide or your memory items . Cirrus
is promoting the cut and run mentality that is counter to safety and pilot skills.
The number of cirrus chute deployments is beginning to look suspect in the big picture. I agree with another poster that maybe the plane is too much for it's low time target group.
"Come on Mav, do some of that pilot shit!"
joelwiley
joel wiley 4
"safety and pilot skills" development is/was a requirement as there was no viable alternative. With Cirrus, some pilot may consider an elective subject. Another reliance on technology getting one beyond one's skill-set?
sparkie624
sparkie624 7
By watching it land, it certainly was not a soft landing, but it was much softer than it would have been without the Parachute.... But then again, he may have been able to make a nice soft landing on an Interstate somewhere.
jwills8606
Based on its structural integrity in multiple accidents, the Cirrus seems to be a pretty strong aircraft, but like the famous forked-tail doctor killer, seems to be too much airplane for many low-time pilots to fly.
dtw757
mike SUT 2
I would love to see if the seats collapsed in that "landing". I t looked pretty harsh...surprised there weren't any back injuries.
Bernie20910
Pilot was running the same way I do when my back is hurting, and was rubbing his lower back just before they turned to face the aircraft again. I would say there's a good chance he sustained a back injury.
crewdoggy
crewdoggy 2
Why don't they have a larger chute? I know the answer is probable space, but I for one would like to see the aircraft survive with less damage and maybe a smoother touchdown for the crew.
Ruger9X19
Ruger9X19 2
Not sure what system was installed in this aircraft but the origional system used a 55ft chute 5th generation CAPS did get a larger 65ft chute. The problem with a chute big enough for lower velocity touch down is that lower velocity winds will pull the aircraft and occupants around. So the Chute is designed to slow the plane to just under 1700fpm and the seats are designed to withstand a 26G impact.
bentwing60
bentwing60 2
This post has some roots on this site. A coupla dozen dead Cirruses ago I posted the observation that the first thing in the emer. checklist seems to be "pop the chute". Think about how many airplanes have or will be written off because of premature "pop the chute'. Cirrus is making a tidy stipend off the insurance rate payer because of the guys who wouldn't buy the aircraft without the chute, or the guys who couldn't pass the checkride without all the whizbang stuff in the panel. If you took your checkride in a C170 you probably get it. If your first bicycle didn't have any training wheels, you probably get it.

joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Your 'written off' comment led to a google search which found the following site.
14 of 77 recorded incidents have or are returning to service, 9 deployed too low to work (Think Wiley Coyote's parachute).

I also read somewhere the chute restocking fee is around 10K, another revenue stream.


https://www.cirruspilots.org/copa/safety_programs/w/safety_pages/723.cirrus-caps-history.aspx#CAPS_Planes_that_Were_Repaired_and_Flew_Again
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
My comment was based on the comment of a buddy who was the DOM at the Cirrus service center (regional)at ADS. His comment was, "once they pop the chute, virtually all will be written off. Your number of 19% salvageable is not virtually all, but the regularity with which I read about their accidents or incidents still reminds me of the V tail Bonanzas of the early days. And I'd fly a V35B anywhere.
phurford
As has often been said, "For a Pilot, an Emergency Situation is any situation that the pilot is not prepared to handle." That said, I don't believe that I would ever fly with this guy.
am60s
Tim Baker 1
Is there any insurance that covers the total loss in these situations?
am60s
Tim Baker 1
Or is it 330K gone bye bye
JonAdams
Jon Adams 1
That's so cool - what a good idea that is! I imagine that it roughed up the occupants a bit but a whole lot better than the alternative!!!
k4man2
I was just curious why so many cirrus aircraft have had chutes deployed.
Ruger9X19
Ruger9X19 2
It is in Cirrus training and POH to pull it at the pretty much at the first sign of trouble. The split cord wing design creates some slightly squirrelly stall characteristics and the envelope for proper chute deployment is relatively small. Early on Cirrus chutes got a bad rap because pilots would wait until the knew they couldn't control then pull the chute. This led to several chutes departing the airframe due to being deployed outside the safety envelope.

So I try not to judge too harshly when a pilot feels the need to pull the chute. Wait to long and you can easily become a screaming passenger in an aircraft with no empennage. Better safe than sorry.
Ruger9X19
Ruger9X19 1
Found a pretty good article on the subject if you are interested. http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/What-The-Frederick-Crash-Reveals-About-Cirrus-Accident-Trends-222980-1.html
bentwing60
bentwing60 1
Good article and the comments were as enlightening as the article. I am not the anti-chute luddite, my comment was to point out the insurance consequences. But in retrospect, the reduced loss of life, especially high net worth ones, and the associated lawyers and lawsuits probably more than compensates for the lost airframes.
kiwipop
Talk about a "Better Mousetrap". What a stunning idea these things are!
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
N295AR ICAO A3081D first delivered 7/11/2001 FAA reports substantial damage but minor injuries. Another Cirrus the week before AIRCRAFT FORCE LANDED WITH PARACHUTE DEPLOYED, 40 MILES FROM ALBUQUERQUE, NM. No video, no news.
unclebigpete
That seemed to be quite a hard landing/bounce. Given that the pilot and passenger were seated at the time, that's a back injury looking for somewhere to happen! Perhaps they need to look at bigger parachutes?
Gpoon49
Gene Poon 2
I am no expert on the Cirrus but a bigger parachute would submit the airframe to higher forces, and that could reduce even further the safe "envelope" for chute deployment.
arnhip
Does the pilot relinquish control when the chute is deployed? In the video they almost hit a building. Did the pilot aim for that spot or was it by pure chance?
Ruger9X19
Ruger9X19 1
Airspeed over the control surfaces and angle of attack are insufficient to provide any maneuverability once the chute is deployed. After deployment you should be readying the aircraft for impact. Mixture is set to cutoff, fuel selector is turned to off, fuel pump is turned off, as well as the master switch and mags, ELT should be activated, Tighten seatbelts and secure loose items. There is not much time to worry about what you might land on.
jeffbeaumont
Not being a pilot, it gives me great pleasure to read these articles. I had no idea that there were so many experts on every situation. This must be the highest intellectual group on the internet.
bentwing60
bentwing60 3
Collectively, I think we represent some of the highest IQ's on the planet, and if you don't believe it, just ax us. (usual sarcasm disclaimer)
Bernie20910
Considering the focus of this site is flight, an endeavor that requires both skill and intelligence to master, and that people who have those basic skills rarely restrict themselves to just one area of interest, and are often the holders of higher level degrees of education in a variety of fields, why are you surprised when we exhibit our range of skills and knowledge?
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Kudos for noticing.
k4man2
Why are so many Cirrus aircraft falling out of the sky? I'd rather have an aircraft that is more reliable.
joelwiley
joel wiley 4
Are they? Is their failure rate greater than other aircraft? There is a saying keep flying the aircraft as far as possible. It may be that the cirrus pilot could be more likely to exercise the red lever option. 127 people have survived those incidents, how many would have made it with out it?

This one made the news as it was caught on camera.
Foxtrot789
Foxtrot789 4
Care to offer some evidence to support that claim? And don't assume the chute is pulled because the aircraft has failed in some regard. Plenty of pulls have been from pilots who got themselves into situations where they felt it necessary to pull the handle with a perfectly working airplane.
mamloura
An experienced pilot told me that Cyrrus is so easy to guide and navigate, that inexperienced pilots feel very comfortable in flying under non-ideal conditions of flight.
ah6oy
Jim DeTour 0
Takeoff and landing crashes plus 1 again. Hope it wasn't fuel starvation. If the Cirrus is having a lot of mishaps and the plane is fast with long glide ratio possibly some of the pilots need to be educated on proper engine management to stay away from carb ice. In reciprocating engines long periods of idling on approach is the wrong answer.
CHBHA
CB HARDY 0
There seem to be a lot of those. Am I right? Am I right?

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