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New York Times: Claims of shoddy production draw scrutiny to a second Boeing Jet

From the New York Times: Workers at a 787 Dreamliner plant in South Carolina have complained of defective manufacturing, debris left on planes and pressure to not report violations. ( More...

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Brian James 5
It's a shame that these types of issues are coming to the forefront of a respected and innovative company like Boeing. It seems that the practices that caused issues around the 787 - including the non-union and under trained shop in South Carolina - have spilled over to the 737 MAX. Hopefully the 777-9 has been spared some of these same signs of degrading quality.

Normally competition is good for consumers and product quality. Seems in this case, Boeing has been more concerned with keeping their profits up by racing against Airbus than they have delivering the type of product they've been known for. One has to wonder what happens when planes being produced in Asia start coming on line when Boeing finds the market even more difficult to navigate.
I saw an interview with a man (now retired)who was a "whistleblower" on the problems with manufacturing the boeing 787 Dreamliner..he said he personally witnessed people leaving shards of metal inside engine parts etcetera, rather than cleaning up the debris left,in order to speed production of the 787's..he had some pictures he had taken to back up his allegations..American airlines says they will still keep their orders for more of that particular aircraft..boeing is a very old company, and until recently,had the respect of major airlines,passengers and pilots.let us hope they can correct all of their really serious issues and get their reputation back..
Robert Spruce 13
As former aircrew with over 16,000 flying hours. It's time to re-evaluate the entire process of training the people who build, and people who fly today's aircraft. My first instructor told me never to forget "remember your training, follow the checklists, but most importantly "FLY THE BLOODY PLANE!!"

Too much reliance on these automated systems and minimum training hours for trainee pilots makes for bad cockpit management and the possibility of errors being missed, as well as not having the traditional "Feel" for flying a plane.

I talk to a lot of current Captains and First Officers who say they are only given minimal training, and the airlines are pushing them harder than ever before to ignore such things as weather hazards and non essential failure items, in order to make schedules and make more $.

We all need to stop and re-consider the entire structure of the global airline business and ATC shortages, as well as considering the implications for passengers with lack of good service and an attitude of arrogance towards the travelling public.
Cansojr 5
These procedures basically the law for pilots is AVIATE, NAVIGATE COMMUNICATE.
Leo Cotnoir 3
Boeing built a plant in South Carolina for cheap, non-union labor. They are getting what they are paying for.
Kobe Hunte 4
Boeing dropped like a rock in the last couple months.. comon Boeing!
Larry White 0
Yes Boeing,,, get that monkey off your back, it's biting you. << does this make sense??
garritt 2
if a corporation desires quality....why would they build in S. Carolina ?
I don't want to replace the 'ain't' on my Boeing hat with 'is' !! Now the 78, after the 73....
Pete Schecter 1
This is very troubling, and based on reports of debris in air force deliveries published elsewhere, this problem seems to be systemic here. How did we so badly lose our way as a quality manufacturing leader in this country? This has nothing to do with a union vs non-union shp, but the values intrinsic to the organization (or lack there of). Back to basics!
Leo Cotnoir 1
While the issue may not be one of union vs non-union, it does appear to be one of corporate responsibility vs profit-above-all. The same motives that drove Boeing to an anti-union state are behind the decline in quality.
canuck44 -2
This is basically a pro-union hit piece based on anecdote. They fail to mention the Air Force rejecting the tankers for tools and debris left in the "finished" product manufactured by the union work force.

I still cannot understand why Boeing moved to Chicago from Seattle.

Viv Pike 8
canuck44 - Did you read the full report? Here is a sample for you. "The issue has cost Boeing at other plants. In March, the Air Force halted deliveries of the KC-46 tanker, built in Everett, Wash., after finding a wrench, bolts and trash inside new planes.

“To say it bluntly, this is unacceptable,” Will Roper, an assistant secretary of the Air Force, told a congressional subcommittee in March. “Our flight lines are spotless. Our depots are spotless, because debris translates into a safety issue.”
s2v8377 7
This not a union issue. Why are you blaming the union? This is a Boeing problem and they have to fix it.
matt jensen 4
They wanted to be closer to UAL which at the time was the main purchaser of their jets. WA state has no corp or personal income tax. IL has both - the corp tax is 9.5% and individual is 3.75%. The state and city gave out huge tax breaks.
william baker 3
Don’t forget United was owned by Boeing when it was first started.
canuck44 2
Houston and Dallas were both competing for that business and pretty much served the same destinations. Houston served both Continental ans Southwest, Dallas American and Southwest.
Cansojr -3
Could it be because there may be a different work ethic in the southern United States. You will find a different ethic in every demographic cohort.
Larry White 1
Cansoir,,,possibility there.. I've worked in different states and noticed the work ethics, but just did my job,, no ratting out or whistle-blowing,, it probably wouldn't change the attitudes of some employees.
Cansojr 1
Thank you for explaining that for me, thanks.


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