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Fly Dubai Boeing 737-800 Crashes in Russia

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A Boeing 738 passenger jet crashed as it was landing at the Rostov-on-Don airport in southern Russia, the country's Southern Regional Emergency Center said Saturday. The plane, which had traveled from Dubai, had 55 people aboard, the Emergency Center said. It wasn't immediately clear if there were any survivors. Developing story - more to come (www.cnn.com) Altro...

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whip5209
Circled for 2 hours, then tried to land. Maybe low on fuel and forced to take a stab at it?
devsfan
ken young 6
Odd. Reports say other inbound aircraft elected to divert to other airports
apmac77
You have to wonder why they did not move on to another airport after an hour of circling.
yr2012
Aborted first landing, went into circle pattern for an hour, before attempting second approach. My guess - ran out of time/fuel.
allench1
allench1 1
See my above post they had two hours of fuel when they departed the hold for their last attempt to land. Also they had called a missed approach and climb to 8000'. One can see the steep descent into the ground.
allench1
allench1 -1
As further evidence the impact created a large explosion. From. That's right jet fuel
allench1
allench1 0
Still had 2 hours fuel
lcire1
http://avherald.com/h?article=495997e2

URRR 190430Z 26008G15MPS 230V300 4600 -SHRA BKN010 BKN033CB OVC100 05/04 Q0997 RESHRA R22/290046 TEMPO 25017G25MPS 1000 SHRA BR SCT003 BKN020CB RMK QFE740/0987

landed 22

plenty of ceiling, quartering strong headwind. 5000+ hour pilots. The question at the front of my mind is was the descending hot spot just prior to explosion a landing light or an engine fire issue on go around. A single engine issue on go-around as light as they were shouldn't have been an issue but obviously something happened.

data recorder reportedly downloaded but CVR still being repaired and therefore still questionable.
lcire1
Quite a bit of additional data reported about the flight here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flydubai_Flight_981
yr2012
Thank you. It clears up many misconceptions including my own about fuel.
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 1
I too was looking at that hot spot Eric...if u follow it through very slowly, it does not appear to be landing lights as it appears to drift , much like a fire would. instead of staying constant.
Bernie20910
To me that looks like reflected lights, not anything actually on the aircraft. I'm sure the investigators will be looking at this too, and will confirm exactly what that was.
devsfan
ken young 2
Viewing the video. In the frame the AC can be seen descending at what appears to be at least a 60* angle. also in the shot is a bright light which is clearly visible before impact.
apmac77
The bright lights look like landing gear lights to me.
apmac77
Think he stalled?

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OzarkTrail
Ronnie B. 4
A lot of people on here are merely hobbyists and have a general interest in aviation.

You have been accosting commentators since this morning.

So since only you have a divine purpose on these boards. Let's here your "professional" opinion. Instead of trying to slam everyone else.
allench1
allench1 -8
Almost all of real professional pilots have left this site due to the onslaught of immature based responses along with myself especially since Preacher1 received his heavenly wings a few months ago. Sad really that the site has been taken over the way it has.
WeatherWise
WeatherWise 10
I didn't realize one had to possess an Airline Transport Rating or a minimum of 5,000 flight hours to join FlightAware or that this site was exclusively for "professional pilots". Any source of media that allows commentary is opening up itself to everything from trolls all the way to the experts. You can participate and ignore the idiots or you can walk away...or in this case, fly away. Speaking for myself, there are plenty of people well versed on the subject of aviation who have zero flight time. I have had a love of aviation since I was a boy I can talk shop with any pilot, any day, any time.

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WeatherWise
I'm glad I could give you the platform to gloat about your achievements in the aviation world. No one was berating the pilots on this site, I was only making the point that those non-pilots who are interested in aviation have just as much right to enjoy this site as you. Unless you're wearing a badge that says NTSB, leave the deducing to those qualified. You are simply speculating. Big difference. So far you haven't posted anything on here regarding this crash that anyone watching CNN couldn't have figured out. But thanks for your "expertise".
bentwing60
bentwing60 3
The evolution of the tone of this forum is no more about the comments than about the votes. It ain't the same pond as 2006. Guess I need a new pond. I miss the old one and "The Preach".
Bernie20910
If a pond doesn't have any flow through it then it stagnates.
bentwing60
bentwing60 -1
I concede that point,sir. But if unbridled borders and unlimited access are yielding positive results in your book, I think I'll continue readin mine. Cheers.
Bernie20910
The key here is that one word you used, "unbridled". I think the public comment areas of the site could use a few good moderators, to help keep things in check. Fresh flow into the pond is good, and helps keep it from stagnating, but the flow needs to be moderated and controlled if you want to keep the pond as a pond, and not have it become just another section of the drainage canal carrying all the effluvia of the unwashed masses to the sea.
yr2012
Give it a rest. Gotcha beat in the front seat from C46 to 747 freighters.
jdriskell
Enough!
m4design
Andre Page 1
Watching reports on https://www.rt.com/on-air/
shelf4you2001
Planes should have parachutes
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Some do. For the plane, though, not for the pax.
Bernie20910
Yeah, good luck to anyone trying to get pax to use chutes and bail out. Hell, the cabin crew still has to explain to them what a seatbelt is and how to use it properly, or how a tray table works. Getting them into a chute harness should be loads of fun.
adin
Flight radar24 on Twitter:
#FZ981 was climbing after a go-around when it suddenly started to fall with vertical speed of up to 21000 feet/min http://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/711087904366456832/photo/1 (detailed timestamp data in picture)
ColinSeftel
Flight path on flightradar24:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/fz981#922b3bd
SWEATINTHSWAMP
Latest Speculation

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/27/world/europe/flydubai-crash-russia.html?smid=tw-nytimesworld&smtyp=cur&_r=0
SWEATINTHSWAMP
The dreaded words..."Don't do that".
lcire1
This is interesting. I assume the fin stabilizer is elevator trim? Had the trim run away prior to AP disc? I haven't seen anything that would lead one to conclude severe icing was involved though a tail stall could explain part of this. I know that the 37 has had previous problems with rudder valves moving to the hard stop but last I read, this problem had been solved? At go around PNF appeared to be reasonably calm so whatever unfolded, likely happen very quickly and apparently unexpectedly. How they reacted to the situation as it unfolded might have fatigue as one of the causes. whether the fatigue can be attributed to their previous duty schedule or just the stress of the last couple hours will be hard to say with any degree of certainty.
allench1
allench1 1
The aircraft carried fuel for trip, contingency, alternate, final fuel reserve (30 minutes) and additional holding for about 2:30 hours, total fuel for an endurance of about 8.5 hours. The aircraft had been airborne until time of impact for 06:02 hours. GO TO avherald.com for more precise info
lcire1
Here is the most complete record of the flight and accident investigation I have found. The page is natively written in Russian so requires using a browser that supports translation to English.

http://aviasafety.ru/7383

Includes timeline of other aircraft approach, English transcript of radio communications, and altitudes from radar up to time of crash.
lcire1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a2MJQbc5Zg

video of subject aircraft going around while on approach, entering clouds and disappearing, followed by reappearing from clouds in a rapid uncontrolled decent to impact explosion. appears some kind of stall event preceded crash.
KineticRider
Thanks for that video link.
dtw757
mike SUT 1
Was looking at the weather at the time of the accident....1000 meters vis..winds gusting anywhere from 26 to 50 and CBs in the area.....maybe wind shear? Heard they have recovered the voice and data recorders so time will tell. Bad situation all around.
SWEATINTHSWAMP
Those poor souls. What a horrible way to die looking at the video link.
denning2001
I'm in shock over that video as well. It is terrible.
devsfan
ken young 1
CNN reports that Flightradar.com had the AC descending at 6400 feet per minute from flt level 210
devsfan
ken young 1
Report video with data from flight radar. Courtesy CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/18/europe/russia-plane-crash/index.html
m4design
Andre Page 1
CCTV of Boeing from Dubai crashes in Rostov on don, Russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=resmD0PSzHs

Viewed through many trees
Ruger9X19
Ruger9X19 0
Condolences to all the families involved.

It looks like they may have struck an engine/wing on the landing attempt and got slow and stalled on the go around.
yr2012
It appears from the video link the jet was on fire before striking the ground, some 250m short of the runway.
TorstenHoff
Or it was the landing lights illuminating the mixed rain and snow that existed at the time of the accident.
yr2012
why the downvote?

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ColinSeftel
Considering the weather, it could have been wind shear.
OzarkTrail
Ronnie B. -3
Here comes the conspiracy theories.

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OzarkTrail
Ronnie B. 4
I do not think it was a conspiracy at all.
But anytime something like this happens lately. There is always somebody blaming Shadow Governments and UFOs.
I don't want hear it either.
Bernie20910
...and the Shadow Government likes it that way.

jk
anthony96
anthony96 0
Sad thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and families
OzarkTrail
Ronnie B. 0
Curious if it was Rhime ice and he lost lift
denning2001
UPDATE: All people on board have died, Russian state news agency Tass reported, citing an official at the emergency center.

Flight was operating under "FDB981"
TheBottle
It's pizdec
anthony96
anthony96 -1
In the carve camra the plane just fell from the sky

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AWAAlum
AWAAlum 5
Why not behave like a mature adult, stop nitpicking, overlook people's mistakes and address the topic at hand. Most of us aren't here to find fault in people's opinions, but rather to toss out our thoughts on the subject. Sometimes brainstorming leads to answers.
bjen9337
@linbb.... when you learn how to punctuate your sentences, then you can criticize those who misspell or don't speak fluent English .<(dabs)>
abruzgulus
abruzgulus -2
Before you publish articles like this, check at least, media reports. The plane did not clipped the ground. It went into a free fall after pilots aborted the second landing and started climbing up. At some point they lost control of the plane and it went down into the death spiral and could not make out of it. Pilot error most likely. See what was caught on the camera here (http://www.ntv.ru/novosti/1615500).
Bernie20910
You realize this site doesn't publish any articles, right? And that the articles that are linked here are just that, links to articles posted on OTHER sites, usually where they originated? So you admonishing this site not to publish whatever article you're going on about is rather pointless.
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 1
Amen Bernie..and I would say the plane did clip the ground at an incredible rate of speed and angle
AWAAlum
AWAAlum 1
Easy big fella. People can only post what's being reported.
OzarkTrail
Ronnie B. -3
Here comes the conspiracy theories.
MGTD
Peter, tell me "Who put the French Engines In the American-Made Boeing? That said,Let's leave it to the experts. But, from long past experience" how'd those French Engines get in the US made Boeing 737-300? And will that have anything to do with the tragedy?..............Nuff said.
chalet
chalet 0

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MGTD
Peter,had I not seen your recommendation, I would not have "replied". Regards your neighbor's Stearman, that's nice for crop dusting and landing, as we did, in cow pastures to picnic. That rotary is about as close to a turbine as gold is to lead---both heavy! About your suggestion finalizing your "blabber"---"W-T-F"....C
P.S ESQ? I am impressed, sir!....C
chalet
chalet 5
You got to be one of those people that are ready to bash anything not made in the US and now jet engines, at the same time you are demonstrating to be a totally ignorant person on aviaton matters. What you call French engines are actually 50% General Electric (do you know who are they, if not let me know) and 50% Snecma from France and they jointly developed the hugely successful CFM56 family of engines which enjoy top repeat top reiability reputation. One of several aircraft using them is the KC-135 tanker and the RCK-135 Recon aircraft. Find this difficult to accept, well it is your yourproblem. The hugely expensive and risky business of developing new jet engines is met by GE by bringing in solid companies who will share risk and profit, not only eviation jet engines but gas turbines used for generating electricity such as the LM2500, LM6000 and now the LMS100 in all of which various FOREIGN STAKE HOLDSERS joined GE and formed a formidable team.
MGTD
After 30+ years in that industry, yes I was well aware of GE. Their biggest claim to profit was allowing some one else to do the R&D, then buy them out cheap. Risk and profit? Yeh sure! Let the little guy do all the R&D and then come up with the same product, after the fact, and put the little guy out of business or buy what he has left cheap. Sorry Chalet, KC-135 and RCK-135, not hard to accept---like the wise Astronaut said, this vehicle contains over ten thousand different parts, everyone of which went to the low bidder---it's the blind hog finds an acorn every once in a while style of management. I'd still rather have a P&W or Rolls turbine hanging from my wing. Now go home and kick yer dog!


chalet
chalet 1
Why then you accused outright the "French engines" of being the culprit of this accident, it was awful, man. Hope that you don't have any dogs or cats at home, not even a sweep broom (LIMAO).
MGTD
I did not accuse the engines. I was asking who put "French-Made" engines in an American-Made" air craft. It was reported that way in all American News papers this "morning---no accusation just who and why? You need to get yer head out of that place it's stuck up and into. You may be too young to recall but SUD or Nord had a big problem, years ago, when they attempted to forge turbine blades all in one piece instead of individual machining of each blade for assemblies. Killed a few Americans before they got wise. The only thing I can state with any amount of accuracy is that we shall learn, after penetrated study what DID cause this terrible catastrophe. I'm certain the French made engines will be part of that study along with the rest of the American frame...c
rapidwolve
rapidwolve 1
That would be like asking "Who put the British-Made engines in an American-Made" craft or "Who put the American-Made engines in a European made craft"..it doesnt matter where the engines nor the airframe came from..when an accident like this happens, all the pieces are examined.

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jdriskell
Now girls!
Bernie20910
There's no hyphen in "shoelaces"... sir.
MGTD
E-9? With all my heart and being let me in all sincerity THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. Never considered the lack of decorum described in your reply and yes, you more than earned your $119/month. That and a lot more. And my comment following ESQ? If you earned it, I honor it! But it still comes with the Mil/alpha, W-T-F...................C

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rmfg
Rob Gibbs 2
Seems all you know how to do is bitch n complain
OzarkTrail
Ronnie B. 1
See comment below for response.

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ColinSeftel
The 737-800 is a modern aircraft which is still in production and has very little in common with the original 737-100.
bdarnell
bdarnell 2
And that is relevant, how ? The 800 is a new generation aircraft.
zainulp
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

flydubai Boeing 737 crashed in Russia

A flydubai Boeing 737 passenger plane has been crashed while landing at Rostov-on-Don airport in Russia.

http://www.aviationanalysis.net/2016/03/flydubai-boeing-737-crashed-in-russia.html
talkstomeh
talkstomeh -2
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Crash: Flydubai B738 at Rostov on Don on Mar 19th 2016, struck wing onto runway after holding for 2 hours

A Flydubai Boeing 737-800, registration A6-FDN performing flight FZ-981 from Dubai (United Arab Emirates) to Rostov on Don (Russia) with 55 passengers and 7 crew, had aborted the approach to Rostov's runway 22 at 01:41L (22:41Z) due to weather and entered a hold initially at 8000 feet, after 30 minutes at 8000 feet the aircraft climbed to FL150. After about 2 hours of holding the aircraft commenced another approach to Rostov's runway 22, winds from 240 degrees at 27 knots (14 m/s) gusting 42 knots (22 m/s), but struck a wing onto the runway at about 3:43 (00:43Z), broke up, came to a rest near the end and to the right of the runway and burst into flames. There are no survivors.

http://avherald.com/h?article=495997e2&opt=0
kurtgavino15
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Boeing from Dubai crashes in Rostov On Don possibly More than 100 passengers could have been on board

Flight FZ981 from Dubai arrived in Rostov-on-Don at about 1:30am, but due to harsh weather conditions, strong side winds gusting at 25-30 meters per second, it spent the next two hours in the air, picking its moment to land. As FZ981 was cruising near Rostov-on-Don (ROV), several other flights opted for alternative airports, but the captain of FZ981 decided to wait for a chance to land at ROV.

https://www.rt.com/news/336185-boeing-crash-dubai-rostov/

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Bernie20910
It takes a big man to admit when he's been wrong, especially in a large, open forum like this. Kudos to you Mr. Hartmann!
vdi74
James T -2
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

Flydubai B737 crash lands in Russia; 62 dead

A Flydubai Boeing 737, en route from Dubai to Russia’s Rostov-on-Don Airport, crashed on landing March 19. The airline said all 55 passengers and seven crew members on board the aircraft were killed.

http://atwonline.com/safety/flydubai-737-crash-lands-russia-62-dead

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