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Pilots expected to picket Warren Buffett-owned NetJets

Aggiunto 8 anni fa

Warren Buffett’s peaceful summer stand-off with NetJets pilots is about to end. (nypost.com) Altro...

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PLANESOLUTIONS 8 anni fa 2

Generally speaking, "professionals" in any industry are not considered to be subject to "tipping". I doubt your doctor, lawyer, tax accountant, survey engineer, or banker expects a tip for their services rendered. Tipping pilots may even be insulting to some.

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btweston 8 anni fa 1

First rule of business:

If someone gives you money, you take it.

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preacher1 8 anni fa 1

Yep

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preacher1 8 anni fa 1

Lot's of companies pay a per diem. 1st thing is that it ain't near enough. When you look at FBO, airport and hotel costs anymore, in a lot of cases, some extra cash is always appreciated.

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Mike Mohle 8 anni fa 3

Higher Pay??? 131K sounds pretty good to me in this market, but it definitely is below many airlines. Maybe they should apply at SWA or UPS. When considering their demands the pilots and their union need to take a close look at the worldwide market, and total demand for 91K/135 travel with the next downturn. The entire world market is in a spiral downward led by China (despite the tripe about the "great" economy and fake unemployment figs we are being fed by the Obama admin and the MSM), and the private/charter transportation sector always takes a hit towards the end. Worldwide manufacturing is down, with Canada officially in recession. This situation is like back in 2007/2008 when I was doing 135 -- there were lots of layoffs and airplanes sold and the market has not fully recovered yet today. The union guys do not care if 25% of the jobs go away for the pilots if the planes are sold, but the pilots sure notice. A 35% increase of $0 ends up being nothing to the pilots if they do not have jobs.

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preacher1 8 anni fa 1

Well, they may consider the money low, and are asking to get in the WalMart range of 145k, but I wonder how many RJ folks might like their jobs. Everybody wants more money and aviation has long being a higher paying field because of the skill set needed. That said, I don't have a lot of sympathy for these guys as they knew what the pay was before they went to work. I am of the old school in that you support where your bread is buttered and don't really bitch about it until you leave.

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PLANESOLUTIONS 8 anni fa 0

for some (not all) the working conditions of flying private are priceless. NetJets is not really "private", nor is it "Airline" (or even typical "charter"), so they are really off on a different playing field.

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RECOR10 8 anni fa 1

So, then they can find the dream job and pay at another carrier....oh, wait...no, they just want more.

If I recall the ATC folks did that in the '80's...see what that got them?

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flypilot12 8 anni fa 3

When I was a ramp rat for a large FBO chain we used to service NetJets on almost a daily basis. Their pilots receive a tip stipend monthly for giving to line guys, and I had talked to one former pilot now flying for another company, that said most pilots would receive, $200 monthly allotment for tips for ramp guys/gals, but most would just pocket it and say the used it as intended. I never got more than a $5 tip from a NetJets pilot, and we were always Johnny on the Spot for those guys, lav, fuel, catering, window wash and a head shine often done by one person when the ramp was busy in the summer with people going to the Hamptons Martha's Vineyard, and Nantucket, the passengers actually tipped better than they did, and the owner/pilots tipped well also. We hated NetJets pilots because they'd ask for the whole treatment and get it in short order then say, "Thanks", and depart. Really sucked because you'd have passengers giving $50 or better at times.

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Bryce Johnson 8 anni fa 2

You mean the multi-millionaires that are able to afford a $20k charter is willing to tip more than a pilot? Thats how it should be. More often than not...its the pilot that loaded or unloaded those bags, stocked/cleaned the airplane, and served those passengers yet they're not the ones to receive a tip. Instead, you watch them hand a $100 to the line guys. Now, if I got a stipend to tip then I would use it, but the fact that "the passengers tipped better than the pilots"....that shouldn't be a surprise

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PLANESOLUTIONS 8 anni fa 0

Pilots generally don't receive (or expect) a tip.

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Bryce Johnson 8 anni fa 1

Im aware. I never expected a tip and was surprised when I did receive one. My boss was one that would refuse a tip anytime offered because we are professionals and as you said we often don't tip our doctors, lawyers, etc....but look at their salary compared to most corporate/charter pilots. (the one time he told a passengers we don't accept tips and that he probably doesn't tip his doctor turns out the guy actually did tip his doctor because it was a home visit doctor). Me not wanting to show up the captain I also had to refuse the tip.

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btweston 8 anni fa 1

You... missed the point entirely.

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DashTrash 8 anni fa 1

This is completely incorrect.

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John Breakey 8 anni fa 2

I've heard the private/charter pilots get excellent tips from passengers. $100-$500 per day.

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PLANESOLUTIONS 8 anni fa 1

Many years in the business, received one tip from a friend of an owner - shocked.

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Bryce Johnson 8 anni fa 1

Didn't work for NetJets, but at my charter company was tipped probably %5 of the time. Normally $20 at most.

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DAL498 8 anni fa 1

No that's very unprofessional. A pilot should never expect or request a tip from their passengers lol...and if one offered I'd be very surprised.

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30west 8 anni fa 1

I flew for a very small charter company (5 Falcon & Gulfstream jets) for a couple of years while on furlough from my airline. Probably 2/3's of our customers were regulars. We provided great customer service. We never asked, even consider asking or appearing to be looking for one; or expected a tip, but often would receive one. Typically, $100 per pilot and for the FA. We graciously accepted. They appreciated the very personal, but respectful attention.

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preacher1 8 anni fa 1

To me, being from the old school, those type tips are earned for service above regular, not expected as part of salary or cost of product. I would accept too but is also good that they felt good enough about it to do it.

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blake1023 8 anni fa 1

If you can't make a living making $131k a year, that sounds like a personal problem. People would kill to make that kind of money in this industry. I know people who make far less and make it just fine!

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btweston 8 anni fa 1

That's not the point. It's difficult to put a precise number to what these pilots should be making, as the article didn't tell us how much NetJets is making. You sure as hell don't know.

People gripe about how much high level professional athletes make, but when you consider how much the leagues make and, oh yeah, there are no games without the players, it makes sense for them to be well compensated.

Replacement players and desperate scab pilots playing and flying for peanuts just to get the job... No one wants either.

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blake1023 8 anni fa 1

Actually I do... Look at the Berkshire's SEC filings. Do a little research rather than rely on a bias New York post article.

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preacher1 8 anni fa 1

It being a public company, earnings information is in the public domain for BH and each subsidiary. Netjets is a small % of their business but is growing and profitable. Buffett is not that hard of a man in most cases and did make a personnel change that went a ways toward appeasement. All that said, yes, flight crews are an indispensable part of the organization, but they can only be paid what the company can stand and still be profitable, regardless of what the going rate may be. Disputes generally arise in trying to determine that figure.

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blake1023 8 anni fa 1

Here's the thing, Btweston is telling everyone they're missing the point on everything. He is missing the point on the whole industry, and frankly the global economy. He can't figure out that there is more to managing an airplane than just pilots pay and benefits.

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preacher1 8 anni fa 1

Simply amazing all the cost that goes into one to keep it flying. Crew costs are an integral part but are not anywhere near all the labor bill.

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blake1023 8 anni fa 1

Yep, NetJets has been getting newer airplanes over the years (which the owners pay for). But they still have older fleets, I don't even want to know how much a major Zonal Inspection costs. You figure the added costs of that airplane being out of service.

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preacher1 8 anni fa 1

at Av in FSM, we had a 767, a CRJ200, and a King air. We had 7 flight crew + FA for each plane, 5 in mx and heavy stuff sent out, + 3 in Dispatch/Operations, and we were totally 90 and with only 3 planes. Money was good for all and we were totally private but the cost is still there.

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ward combs 8 anni fa 1

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preacher1 8 anni fa 1

???

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PLANESOLUTIONS 8 anni fa 0

We encourage crews to tip (or coordinate with the owner / passengers) and it can vary from $10 to $50 or more depending on services rendered and situation as well as the level of service overall.

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btweston 8 anni fa 0

Yeah! Downvote! Screw the pilots! All hail the ruling class!

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