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Malaysia Airlines says flight MH370 is carrying a total number of 227 passengers, including 2 infants, and 12 crew members. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370/history/20140307/1635Z/WMKK/ZBAA (www.breakingnews.com) Altro...

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Donnytoots
Don Levine 9
Correction of previous comment:
Socotra Island (SCT) international airport (Yemen) has a 3,300 meter asphalt landing field which is over 10,00 feet. 8,100 feet is the required distance to land for the B777-200. Flight MH 730 would have been able to land there. Most of the flight across the Indian Ocean could have been at a higher altitudes to gain distance and go undetected while the world's attention was focused on (or distracted to) the area where the plane went off the radar. There existed the risk that the info from the motor blips would be relayed to the searching parties but such coordination didn't exists so the gamble by the hijackers was successful. My guess is that there were others on the flight to assist the hijackers get the cell phones or even fly the plane! After landing, the empty plane either was hidden or was refueled and flown to a nearby airstrip to be hidden. My guess/wish is that the passengers may be alive on the beautiful island. The plane may be repainted similar to another airline and used as a long ranged bomber. I hope the first part is correct and the passengers are OK. The second part is the scary part. So get satellite pictures of Socotra.
jrhausman
James Hausman 3
There is also an abandonded airfield in the far south west corner of somalia that could work and no town anywhere close.
tf51d
Thomas Cain 1
Also a possibility, but may be just out of range (Judging by the 7 hour window. Yemen would be about 3300 miles. Somalia would be closer to 4000 miles.
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 2
https://maps.google.com/ Is that large hangar at midfield?
honda705hp
Richard Rael 2
What about some of the old WWII abandoned airfields in East India and Pakistan? There remote and very isolated.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Whatever it is, it does not cast a shadow. Note the tower to the right.
It could also be a Google redaction where they hide what is there.
Could also be a big concrete pad.
JMHO
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I would venture to say that is probably just the concrete ramp.. Right in front of it is the airport terminal.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Need Lat and Long to see it. That link only loads google maps.
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 3
Socotra Island Airport, Hadramaut, Yemen try this, sorry
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
Thanks for the link. This looks totally possible.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
Also look at Veer savarkaar airport on the south andaman islands. Also very probable landing location.
icywings
Icy Wings 2
This is something I thought of many years ago. I'm a writer and thought of this idea for a film. My idea had them taking the now MH370 aircraft and completely gut it by taking out the galley, seat, etc. Then they would load the aircraft with the absolute minimum fuel required leaving the available empty weight to be used for explosives. The entire aircraft could fly right into the heart of any city and basically level it. They just need to file a fake flight plan, match the livery on the airplane to match what they file. They can join up and flying right into JFK until you report a missed approach and fly into downtown Manhattan. I sure hope that doesn't happen anywhere but it is possible.
Lonewolf24
Lonewolf24 1
That's what I'm thinking - hell, they may even just load up on avgas and turn the plane into one massive missile - the jet fuel will burn for a long period of time afterwards, destroying the structural integrity of any building they hit. Basically it's 9/11 all over again.
tf51d
Thomas Cain 1
I think this site ranks high on the likely destinations this plane may have went. It fits right in the 7 hour window they said the plane was flying, and in range with the amount of fuel that would have been on board for it's flight. As you state, it's pretty remote, has a runway large enough to support it and is near a country with known terrorist ties. Everything fits with the current known parameters. I would hope though the US and other countries would come to the same conclusion and are fully investigating the site. Excellent analysis!!
Duoneb
Duoneb 1
Their in the ocean.
giger2
Socrata is overflown many times by OMAN coast guard ,they would have photographed it .
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
If this is possibility I would like to know wind conditions for that day compared to other days, if wind was favoriting this route for that day more than any previous day your theory might be partially true.
ALF8247
Alfred Stone 1
I think that you may have a very logical question, theory does not sound crazy, only I would think that someone would have seen something and reported it to the authorities yet who knows.

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preacher1
preacher1 5
After 8 days, the banana republic is finally saying there was human intervention, aka pilot suicide or outright hijacking. To me, basically a week wasted; if it did crash in water to the West, debris is probably gone by now. Personally, I think it has been hijacked by that militant Muslim group that wants a breakaway and is in Western China, and this whole search is just a smokescreen for either negotiations on pax release or a raid in planning to get them. I might as well throw my 2cts in. Everybody else has. LOL
nipponoze
David Okeefe 1
Interesting Theory ! The Chinese are ultra secretive and the Malay government is so corrupt complacent and prejudice towards any of their non indigenous Malay citizens they treat Chinese Malaysian with contempt.

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MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 1
yeah I hope so
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Geez, who got suspended and for what???
mahmoodkhalid247
Kim Selter 1
finally Iranian is wanted person for interpol
MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 1
Civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman declined to confirm this, but said authorities were looking at the possibility the men were connected to a stolen passport syndicate.

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EthanWilliams
EthanWilliams 13
Never rule out terrorism, especially with a sudden lost of contact.
michaeljinlee
Michael L 2
This is really disturbing, two passports were both stolen in Thailand, one more passport number and name did not match the record according to Chinese official in Fujian province. there three tickets was booked through CZ system since MH370 code sharing flight. I do not work in aviation industry, but what we know right now does not really make sense at all. What could possibly happen to cause aircraft to lose contact all of sudden and even without any trace of distress signal?
michaeljinlee
Michael L 1
I just watch a clip of Chinese media (Hongkong based) referencing the similar incident happened to South Korean flight that two north Korean agents using fake passports and detonated a bomb when the plane was flying over Andaman Sea.
michaeljinlee
Michael L 1
that incident was in 1987
hswiseman
Howard Wiseman 5
I travel by 777 regularly transpacific. My opinion of this aircraft is that the only way to bring this plane down is flying it into something through sheer stupidity (SFO), or blowing it out of the sky. Hyperbole of course, (Boeing Fanboy), but this is a fantastic airplane.

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hswiseman
Howard Wiseman 4
Pilot had 18,000+ hours. FO 2,700.
bizjets101
biz jets 3
Airline has a fantastic record with the B777, one of the most experienced crews in the world, and the aircraft first flew in 2002 - so by world standards - not new, but definitely not old.
msblowupdoll
apple orange 1
This airframe was less than 12 years old. Still a decade or more of life left.
alexhc
Alex C -2
I stand corrected. Information from Flightradar24 shows that the aircraft (9M-MRO) is 11.5 years old.

It's worth noting, however, that the aircraft was involved in a ground accident with a China Eastern A340 in China. However, I believe that the Chinese maintenance crews are first rate. So maybe a structural failure/fatigue isn't the cause.

I'm thinking that another AF447 has occurred.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish -3
The chain of causality in the AF447 included several factors that are directly tied to the Airbus flight deck design philosophy, like: fly by joystick, controls not providing tactile feedback of the inputs from the person in the other seat. So this incident wouldn't really be an AF447. The pitot tubes freezing over was also sn issue that was particular to Airbus. The flight deck alarm that sounded only when the copilot tried to push the nose back down is also part of the flight deck logic built into the Airbus A330.

So all we're left is maybe one or more of the pilots not knowing how to recover from a stall at cruising altitude. So not too much to have in common.

I'm more concerned about the copilot locking the captain out when he got up to use the lav. Unfortunately, there have been incidents like that, including in the recent past. And we haven't seen the last of those.

Secondly, that crash on the ground last year might have resulted in fatigue/ failure of a structural element.
avihais
Martin Haisman -1
Yeah the A330 auto throttles don't move the levers either so it took a while (too long) for them to figure out to adjust the levers. Initially (initially)supposed to be in anomalous airspeed 80% throttle nose up 5%. Yep and joysticks are for games not airliners. The magenta people - love that video of that seminar. This one unlike FT447 was good weather and markedly different aircraft with good pitot tubes!. Will be interested in a year or two in the final report.
jaseman007
Jason Maley 0
The B777 is also FBW
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
Fly by wire wasn't implicated in the crash of Air France 447.

The incompetence of the first officer's flying skills was implicated.
So was the faulty logic of the A330 that alarmed whenever the errant pilot tried lowering the nose of the plane.
Also implicated was the design of the A330 cockpit, particularly the joystick controller that allowed an entire plane of pasengers to get pushed into the ovean by the incompetent piloy inadvertently, and without the other pilot knowing what he was doing.

So it wasn't about fly by wire. It was about bad design of the Airbus flight deck. The poor flying skills of that first officer didn't help any, either. But the 2 together was fatal for 228 souls.
lindros2
Josh Linder -3
Or the Russians and Ukranians?

Or Malaysians?
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 4
Or the Martians and Mexicans?
superwbd
superwbd 1
Since the data is from ADS-B receiver, it is highly impossible that any signal receiver can receive any message when the plane was really at 0ft... Quite weird we have such data.
captjimfuller
Jim Fuller 1
The last 2 data points show "0" altitude so the sensor has failed. Why? Pitot tube has been taken out or a massive electrical failure that takes out transponder 2 minutes later. Pitot tube fail from a/c impact. Elec. failure leads to fire.
NineMikeCharlie
Dennis Coughlin 0
If that is where radar lost it, clearly not into Vietnam or feet dry.
hswiseman
Howard Wiseman -1
Lack of wreckage report so far suggests an event over water.
bizjets101
biz jets 1
I understand the aircraft was two hours into it's flight, which would have put it over Vietnam.
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 0
According to Vietnam the plane never made it to Vietnam.
hswiseman
Howard Wiseman -2
China's Xinhua news agency: Radar contact with missing Malaysia Airlines plane lost in airspace controlled by Vietnam - @Reuters 160 Chinese Nationals on board.
yr2012
matt jensen 0
That would put the flight an hour from takeoff, not the two hours reported.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 0
Sadly that may turn out to be true.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
I agree with you Ethan. A B-777 has a almost perfect safety record. Asiana put that in the record books....we all know that. An airplane just doesn't fall out of the sky. The bird is down and it's all speculation right now as to what happened. I can't rule out terrorism or mechanical failure...which I doubt. It is always sad when a bird goes down and most likely we won't find out what the hell happened until they can retreive the "Box". God bless the "Crew and Pax". R.I.P.
alombar1
Andrew Lombardi 0
i had same thought.
AONeal79
AONeal79 0
Exactly. Not the most stable of regions.
superwbd
superwbd 1
I hate to say that, but thinking the recent attack related with Xinjiang at Kunming, we cannot rule out this possibility... But why should they do that on a Malaysia plane?
Paciano
Geoffrey Luck 1
Because it was full of Chinese tourists.
SYD1
Michael Squires 1
That probability has to be taken into consideration. Why MH? With a high percentage of Chinese citizens and inbound it could have been considered a soft target.
Moviela
Ric Wernicke 0
Why MH? The stolen passport users booked through CZ. Perhaps they did not know it was a code share flight. Most of the public does not know what a code share is anyhow.

I won't be surprised when the passport thieves are found to be Muslim males between 17 and 41 years old, and having ties to radical Islam.
msblowupdoll
apple orange 21
No matter the reason, I do have to commend Malaysia on their speedy response, from the website to the press conference. Gives me much more faith that it's a well managed airline that I would still consider flying in the future. Huge difference from the Asiana crash. It's like Asiana wanted to pretend nothing happened!
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 4
Actually, it turns out, they waited hours after they were notified that radar contact was lost, to say anything publicly about the flight. It seems that word only came out after the plane's scheduled arrival time came and went without an actual airplane.

Then they shared some information. But after an entire day of searching, they've only shared a little info, eg. The passenger manifest and that oil slicks were found.

It's now been the second night that the plane has been missing. It will be daylight again soon. So hopefully we'll start getting more info. But it seems they are holding their cards close to their chest. They are not telling us all that they know.

I've given them the benefit of the doubt, hoping tgAt they've used the lack of timely disclosure to more effectively gather intel on potential cooperative terrorists that provided material assistance.

But I wouldn't necessarily commend their openness of communication.

In comparing to Asiana, remember there were many injured passengers and crew. There were also lots of eyewitbeses and video.

In this case, Malaysia has rooms filled with family members, without providing much remarkable concrete info about their loved ones. There have also been complaints that the families have only been fed water and bread, despite being in an emotional jail.

The second day is about to begin. So hopefully we'll get a whole new batch of Infirmation.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
I think we've all come to expect instant information in the 24/7 internet age. Asiana occurred in broad daylight, in front of probably a couple of hundred people & in a major news market; still there was a lot of confusion & misinformation flying about even a few days later. I'm not surprised that verifiable information is slow coming out especially if they haven't confirmed the location. Also the governments in the area aren't known for
"playing well" with each other.
Asiana just got fined for lack of a disaster play, Malaysia may be in the same boat.
pscggeforce
Geforce FX 1
Totally agree.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
With over 48 hours passed since the time that the plane lost contact with ATC, we can all agree that information about the plane at the time of the incident has not been forthcoming.

The most significant information released by the airline was the passenger manifest, which led independent parties to verify that stolen passports were used to board flight. It's been mostly silence since then.

The manifest release happened soon after announcement of missing plane. Made it seem to some that they were being quick to share info. But in reality that airline had been notified many hours earlier that the plane was lost/ not in contact. The airline had many hours to prepare for that first impression.

But that well went dry pretty quick.
JackalRovers
Jack Lee 1
Most intriguing report is that in beijing,some claimed that calls made to the passengers' cellphone rang but unanswered. And MAS director of Operations also said calls made to certain crew's mobile phone also rang but not answered .
mariescreations
Jerry Rader 1
I wonder if they tried to use cellphone locating service to help locate the airplane. I know cellphone service is not available in remote areas but locating one seems to work even where the service is not available.
smoki
smoki 1
Caller side ringing effect does not necessarily mean that the phone called is working or connecting or in any way in working condition.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Happens with AT&T all the time!
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 0
AND --- cue the "conspiracy theorists" in: 5 - 4 - 3 - 2 - 1.....
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 2
It's already begun.

Some 20 employees of a semi-conductor manufacturer were onboard. So, there will be a "connecting of the dots" where none actually exist, as people begin to spread utter falsehoods and speculation, and call them "facts".

WELCOME to the "Age of the Internet", where everyone with a computer and Web access can foul the air with their "theories".
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Actually one can give them the benefit of the doubt and suggest that they're running an effective post-incident counter-terrorism investigation (or trying to).

Also, they must just look impotent and incompetent in the face of just having had one of their airliners blown up in mid-flight, being caught flatfooted letting passengers board their flight with stolen passports. They may just be counting the cost of the lawsuit layouts, and realize they gave nothing meaningful to add to the public discourse.

Take your pick. Neither is conspiratorial.

If I wanted to suggest a conspiracy I would be tempted to go in a completely different direction:

I would suggest that Vietnamese or Chinese fighters escorted the plane to a remote military airfield, jamming radio and/or radar contact with MH370 during that encounter.

Also, a Vietnamese fighter could've accidently crashed into the passenger airliner whole practicing. The rest is a cover up by the Vietnamese. Or the same story with a Chinese fighter and a Chinese cover up.

So in short, there are no shortness of conspiracy theories that one can imagine. None if which has any bearing on whether Malaysia is dragging their feet in the provision of information. Personally, I don't find that they were quick at all in disseminating info, with the exception of one item: releasing the passenger manifest the day after the plane was lost from radar.
andromeda07
andromeda07 1
I was surprised to find the actual passenger manifest published in one of the on-line articles I found yesterday (unfortunately don't remember which) -- isn't that supposed to be confidential info? We can't call up an airline to ask if someone is on board by name these days. Or is that only on domestic US flights??
bizjets101
biz jets 2
Silk Air 185 (Suicide that killed all on board B737-300 in the same area - passenger manifest was released the next day.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 0
Someone knows a lot more than they're sharing publicly. There may be legitimate reasons for doing so, like terrorism investigation.

But there are clear signs that information is being withheld from the public.

1. Maylasia Airlines was notified by the Vietnamese early in the course of the flight that radar contact was lost. They only acknowledged that fact the following morning AFTER the plane failed to arrive at Beijing.

2. Two full days of clear weather and sunlight without reports of having found floating airplane wreckage flotsam. If a large airliner crashes into water, there will be floating debris. There are some reports now (after dark locally) that some debris may have been found. We'll see.

But it seems that there is some attemp to delay the spread of information. It may in fact be or reasonable purposes. But that is the opposite of what's claimed above that Malaysia is being very open and forthcoming with info. I wouldn't say that.

Someone is not telling what they know. Maybe the airline. Maybe the Vietnamese. But someone is holding back.
bethster
Laura Linger 2
Yes, that is what upsets me so much about this whole "oil slick" situation. Any airliner that has contact with the water is going to leave wreckage. I keep thinking of the footage of Alaska Air 261 that was taken within the hour of it hitting the Pacific. It was easy to see where it went down. The same is true about Swissair 111 and EgyptAir 990. I can't get it out of my head, I admit it: where in the hell did this airliner GO? A 777 doesn't just vanish, but where is it? (Thanks for listening, I am very upset about this)
avihais
Martin Haisman 2
Yep agree - seems in such a high shipping area and aircraft transit area and ships searching along with aircraft. It was last reported lost off radar at 1:30 NZ time and its now just after 9:00 here and a possible sighting of a door. Something is wrong here.
avihais
Martin Haisman 2
...1:30 on the 8th March now 10th March here in NZ
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 1
Exactly. The depth of the water alone is shallow enough to find debris and the recorders still ping. The lack of surface debris is also intruiging. This is a turning point day because decomposing remains will appear on the surface as they did with Air France.

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mahmoodkhalid247
Kim Selter -1
she is even young and pretty
AONeal79
AONeal79 1
FlightAware is really not the place for posts like this.
mahmoodkhalid247
Kim Selter 0
this is really really sad. she brought newspaper for her also. i want to cry
MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 0
she should not loose hope, hats off to her courage

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mahmoodkhalid247
Kim Selter 0
HOPE IS STILL THERE.. #PrayForMH370
MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 0
MYSTERY is still there... I pray for them
MattHauke
Matt Hauke 0
This is already been proven to be a false report.

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sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Who is the suspended poster???

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MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 3
BREAKING NEWS: Pouria Nour Mohammad Mehrdad is the Iranian who boarded MH370 on stolen passport READ HERE DETAILS http://goo.gl/UDoOaW
mariescreations
Jerry Rader 3
Here is another scenario regarding where the airplane may have stopped flying - After the airplane is commandeered at 35,000 feet and the transponders are disabled, it turns westward and is flown to an altitude of 3,000 feet to avoid radar. Now, instead of having a range of 5 to 6 hours at 35,000 feet, the range is cut to 4 hours because of the fuel efficiency at the lower altitude. Boeing says, according to the news reports, that the engine data signals continued after the turn for an additional 4 hours. What would the range be at the end of 4 hours at 3,000 feet? Look there?
mariescreations
Jerry Rader 1
Maybe near the Maldives?
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 5
The Vietnamese navy has reported that the aircraft has indeed crashed into the South China Sea.

See http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/navy-malaysia-airlines-flight-crashed-into-the-ocean/
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 5
Well, this will continue to be a mystery for the time being. I was wondering when a military radar facility would announce...they sometimes have better coverage than ATC.

I'm bracing, now, for the inevitable rash of "conspiracy theories" (as seen after the loss of AF 447). In this InterNet world, there are no shortage of sick individuals who will take this tragedy, and attempt to make something of it that isn't factual, nor relevant.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 4
There are reports that Vietnamese military radar tracked the plane into the sea. Also there are reports that their airforce planes have discovered 2 oil slicks. Depending on distance between the slicks, this would indicate that the plane came apart before impact. Non-intact plane would suggest explosion or catastrophic failure, rather than suicidal copilot.

The collision on ground involved wingtips contact. That does not seem to be the kind of damage that would lead to the kind of catastrophic failure that would prevent a PAN call from pilots.

There are also reports that an Italian listed on the manifest is alive and well in Thailand, and that his passport was stolen months ago. I would be unusual for someone to steal a passport to get into China. Sonic this report is true, it will likely be an indication of terrorism.

It's still way too early to know for sure what happened, there are only a small subset that would prevent the pilots from making a distress call.
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 4
Update - a look at Malaysia Airlines' safety record

Malaysia Airlines Had Strong Safety Record - Many Asian Carriers Have Overcome Poor Reputations in Past Decade
http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/malaysia-airlines-had-strong-safety-record/
yasex2006
yasex2006 4
I live in the area where they are searching for the missing plane. I am in possess of the nautical charts with all batimetrics , and the average depth of the waters around To Chau ( Hon Tho Chau) island is 24 meters. This considered, even a Piper's submerged wreckage could be visible from an Search and Rescue plane or chopper flying not over 10,000 ft. A fuselage of a 777 is wide and well visible is such waters. This excludes , in my opinion, an emergency sea-landing , as the wreckage , I repeat, should be well visible. What about the "black boxes"? They should emit a signal. Why this signal has not yet been received by satellites or by the rescue ships and airplanes?
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 2
Fascinating and appreciated coming from a local (to that area). I noticed the depths in that region and given the diversity of the nations in that area I wonder how many high tech submarines lie submerged and able to target the ping?
Doobs
Dee Lowry 2
Good point. They will find the ping! If not by Sonar... why not by satellite? They have found ancient ruins via satelite. Why not the sea? The tech is there.
yr2012
matt jensen 2
24m is too shallow for most boomers.
yasex2006
yasex2006 1
knowing the waters in the area around Phu Quoc and Tho Chau islands, a military submarine can submerge only hundreds of kms west of the searching area. The waters near the Mekong Delta are not enough deep to allow a standard military submarine to navigate in immersion.That's why Vietnamese built Cam Ranh naval base on the middle of the western coast of Vietnam.
Immediately south of Phu Quoc island there are a number of sand barrages, rocks, islets, reefs and zones where the navigation is dangerous even for the local fishermen.
ice21
ice21 4
People need to get back to the point. We are here to share real info on MH370. Not talk rubbish. Have some respect for people of flight MH370. And contribute what you can. Otherwise shut it.
OZAIR
OZAIR -5
tell me your theory i'm curious and i am sticking to the subject and that is why the 777 went missing.
ice21
ice21 1
I'm not here to talk about theories. I just want to see people post real evidence as soon as anybody hears anything
OZAIR
OZAIR -4
well good luck with that,any information will be kept secret until authorities want to feed information,until then the area will be off limits to all except the need to know people,even when they find it you and i will be the last to know,hours later if not more.
OZAIR
OZAIR -5
as the topic says
OZAIR
OZAIR -6
rubbish ? i talk facts only.I live by facts only not rubbish.
ice21
ice21 2
I'm not talking about you. I'm saying the forum needs to get back on track as a whole. With no personal attacks. I want to hear from people who really know what's going on
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 3
Angie, I believe that link is for the previous day's flight. Remember, although it is 7 March in the USA, and North/South America, the date now is 8 March across the International Date Line.
AONeal79
AONeal79 1
Thank you, Tim. My apologies.
dbaker
Daniel Baker 2
Here is the correct link: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370/history/20140307/1635Z/WMKK/ZBAA

Notably the aircraft went out of FightAware's coverage in that area at the same place as the prior day's flight, although the prior day's flight came back into coverage later.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 0
Looking at the route, at the time of losing the contact, that would put the flight directly over or slightly to the east of Hong Kong and Macau. If something did happen, there surely should have been some witnesses to see something. If not, either transponder turning off or 7500?
ssjan
Jan F 0
Xinhua has stated that the aircraft was lost over Vietnamese airspace.
This isn't directed at you: If FlightAware's moderators actually bothered to look at which Squawks were informative vs those that are not, more people would know what happened!
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 0
Then please enlighten us to which one is informative, and post the links, please.. Everything that is coming up is saying that it lost contact with Subang ATC, which is still in Malaysia. If it was lost over Vietnam airspace, who has authority over Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, and Hainan?

I ask because something doesn't add up.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Actually, let me correct myself. The flight mentioned above is the one that took place on 3/6/14. That one stopped being tracked over Hong Kong/Macau. The one for 3/7 did indeed stop being tracked over Vietnam.

Link is here:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MAS370/history/20140307/1635Z/WMKK/ZBAA
AONeal79
AONeal79 0
I thought about the transponder too, but even if the plane kept flying it's would have since run out of fuel.
petervee
Peter Vee 2
it seems to me that these are the possibilities for what happened to MAS370: either there was a catastrophic failure (although a fully fuel laden plane crashing would have created a fireball visible for miles and there have been no reports or debris); someone did try to get in the cockpit, turned off the transponder and after a fight with the crew the plane crashed (but no signs of that), or we are witnessing a new type of extortion: no point commandeering ships/tankers; more money can be made by high jacking planes and flying them under the radar to pretty much any small airport anywhere (777 requires about 1850m/6200ft). I have asked Google to uploaad recent images of the area so that folks like us can search for either debris or the aircraft. Does any one else share these thoughts?
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
Everything becomes sophisticated over time ever airplane hijacking! I am starting to believe that this airplane did not crash.
RedRackham
RedRackham 2
The Guardian's graphics team has put together this map showing the flight path and the two main search sites:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/10/1394448464928/967f1f35-06f3-4140-ba2f-509a95372457-486x540.jpeg
Iewiew
Ivan Warrington 2
Latest update is that plane was in air for 7 hours. Could be anywhere in Middle East, Africa,Russia. It looks like the increased altitude was to put the passengers to "sleep". Most likely it is now gutted and hidden, turned into a Cruise Missile. Be some overtime at CIA this weekend.
johneecc
jc contarino 2
With the latest news of this flight flying for several hours after the last control center contact is a little unnerving. I strongly feel the search needs to be at every possible landing place in the middle east or Iran. If this plane was stolen and flown there it can easily show back up on our door step with some dangerous cargo. I think the search should change or include this area very fast.
Scabbard
Mike Yorke 4
I suspect all manner of photography is taking place from aloft. Satellites,astronauts etc.
USA is good at engaging resources in a hurry on such as this - quietly.
pany
Sabino Escobedo 1
Yes, whether people like it or not, the US always investigates incidents properly, without making a big deal out of things - quietly.
I trust US investigations results more than any other investigation entity, specially those from NTSB. NTSB is a serious entity.
I hope NTSB can take the incident under its leadership and responsibility soon, and forget about those Asian government inefficient authorities just interfering in the process.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Agreed 100%
RedRackham
RedRackham 2
Hong Kong’s Air Traffic Control Center reported on Mar 10th 2014 around 17:30L (09:30Z) that an airliner enroute on airway L642 reported via HF radio that they saw a large field of debris at position N9.72 E107.42 about 80nm southeast of Ho Chi Minh City, about 50nm off the south-eastern coast of Vietnam in the South China Sea and about 281nm northeast of the last known radar position. Ships have been dispatched to the reported debris field.
Oogleboogle
Cyrus Sakhaee 1
This is very true.
kea001
Tom Kearney 1
Already been discounted. Sorry.
kea001
Tom Kearney 0
The coordinates for the debris field are the same coordinates for this recently discovered unmarked shipwreck

http://www.thecrewreport.com/features/20927/unmarked-wreck-off-vung-tau-vietnam

marine debris around 09043'N, 107025'E
shipwreck 10-17.7°N, 107-03.00°E

Subsequently no debris was found by searchers. This is also 500km away from waypoint IGARY, where ACC lost aircraft transmission.
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 1
I'm not here to argue either side, but the coordinates for the shipwreck are a degree west of the coordinates for the debris field. Also, when you compare the two on a map, the debris is SE of Ho Chi Min, while the shipwreck is S/SW. Furthermore, this debris field location is consistent with the one that a passenger on a PEK-KUL flight claims to have photographed SE of Ho Chi Minh
mlstove
Michael Stover 2
Thanks to all for the responses from earlier questions, very informative!
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Another reason to kill your facebook account.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Thanks for the heads up... Even the Hackers are praying on this...
rayngmelb
Raymond Ng 2
Report: Civil aircraft spots suspected metal debris in search for missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft, Vietnam says - @BloombergTV
BREAKING [7:04pm]: According to VN Express, a commercial plane from out of Hong Kong has reported seeing several large pieces of debris 60km southeast of Vung Tau, a coastal city in Vietnam.

Could that be CX719 that's spotted it? Why is CX719 backtracking towards VN when it's only an hour from it's destination?
kea001
Tom Kearney 2
The coordinates for the debris field are the same coordinates for this recently discovered unmarked shipwreck

http://www.thecrewreport.com/features/20927/unmarked-wreck-off-vung-tau-vietnam

marine debris around 09043'N, 107025'E
shipwreck 10-17.7°N, 107-03.00°E

Subsequently no debris was found by searchers. This is also 500km away from waypoint IGARY, where ACC lost aircraft transmission.

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AONeal79
AONeal79 1
The phones that ring have already been confirmed as being forwarded to another number - this is why it doesn't go straight to voicemail.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
1. Mobile phones will not work under water.
2. Mobile phones will surely cease to work if they have been involved in an explosion.
3. WHY can the connections to these mobiles not be traced?
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, they are either false reports or there is a lot more known than the authorities are telling. That part could be a culture thing in that they really don't give a damn about the media and the feeling of the American public with their insatiable appetite for "I want it right now". We saw a little of this in the 214 saga.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
So much of it all just doesn't add up!
anhngq
anhngq 2
Just a little side news:

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One woman, whose mother was on the plane, said: “We hope the Chinese government sends search teams as soon as possible.”

“We don’t trust the Vietnamese people.”

She added: “Nobody has got in touch with us. Nobody talks to us except volunteers and hotel staff.”
>

Source: http://www.euronews.com/2014/03/08/beijing-anxious-wait-for-relatives-of-passengers-on-missing-jet/
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 2
Even in grief these people find time to spew their hate. Disgusting.
flyingcookmosnter
flyingcookmosnter 2
Hong Kong ATC has reported this morning an aircraft has spotted a debris field found 280NM north east of current search area. Picture is up on Aviation Herald and it doesn't look good.

Peace and hope for the families - could be nothing.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4710c69b&opt=0
wallypiper
Wally Piper 1
The debris has been inspected and determined not to be from and aircraft.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 2
Is it still possible to breach the cockpit door? I thought they were inpenetrable after the post 9-11 redesign. Anybody know if the captain was single or married? I'm sure the Feds are checking into the crews' background. If the plane put down somewhere for a hostage situation, it would have had to have a complex plan including many other people on the ground, trying to keep 235 or so people alive. Demands would have been made public by now.
ALF8247
Alfred Stone 2
Well not if the pilots allow beautiful girls into the cockpit as the co pilot has done in the past. Bang there is the security breach facing the crew in the face. All is needed the wrong organisation to be on board wait for the correct time and calculate the correct moment when one of these ladies need the toilet, the rest is history.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Somebody would have to fly the plane. I don't think you advertize for a 777 qualified hijacker on craigslist. If the plan was to keep the plane somewhere, do you think the planners would bet the rent on the air crew cooperating? Unless it was an inside job.

On the other hand, the plane may be in small pieces somewhere in a big ocean.

Theorizing in the absence of data is unproductive.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
They fly drones without pilots
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Triple 7 isn't a drone though.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
And simulators have pilots without planes. . .
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Gosh... I have a very complete flight simulator... Never knew that would create suspicion. LOL...

There is nothing wrong with that... Now if they could find proof in the simulator that he was practicing water or very short field landings, then that may go somewhere.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Or, airports, waypoints, flight plans, or other smoking guns.
Scan the hard drives for erased data too.
sblank
sg blank 2
Given the sparse pings of the ACARS system but no data, - a hypothesis to explore is: could this be this is another SwissAir Flight 11 – a fire in the Main Equipment Center (MEC) underneath the cockpit? If there’s a fire a smoke detector illuminates the ‘EQUIP COOLING OVRD’ message on the cockpit EICAS.

see diagram here: http://www.skybrary.aero/images/B772_MEC_FIRE.jpg

It’s possible after seeing a message the crew began a turnback to Malaysia. But if the fire continued it could knock out communications equipment, which would explain the loss of comms, and blow out the crew oxygen bottle which could cause rapid decompression and crew hypoxia if it went off through the fuselage and/or the fire could have damaged the fly-by-wire flight controls which could explain the continued flight.

While just a hypothesis, unfortunately a 777 had a fire in this exact location – luckily for them on the ground in London Heathrow in Feb 2007. See the UK AAIB report:
http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/S2-2007%20N786UA.pdf

The report said, “…Prior to this accident the aircraft manufacturer was involved in investigating 11 in-service reports of power panel overheat events, three of which involved major damage to the panels. The affected panels were the P200 and P300, and the affected contactors were the RBTB, Auxiliary Power Breaker (APB)and the Primary External Power Contactor (PEPC).

Now imagine if the fire occurred in the air at 35,000 feet.
tregter2
tregter2 1
must correct some things, cb's for ATC and TCAS are on the P11 overhead panels. acces by cocpit crew. the P110 and P210 have airground relays..
fire to the P panels or melt down, have been in both these panels. in ELMS block 2 planes. mostly current mode couplers and 1 incident the APU feeder cable was burned away. this without warnings during flight.
ifo based on 15yr avionics experience and findings with B777.
Bigboy1942a
Richard Stiller 2
The airplane could be sitting in a hangar at an airport in North Korea. It had enough fuel to fly that far and Kim Jung Un is known for doing crazy stunts. Airplane could have been taken down to 500 feet at last radar contact and flown to N.Korea at that altitude.
seesha
jack shannon 1
I would say it has as good as any chance that it is presently being repainted in Yemen or Iran as we theorize. And where would they fly it? Load it up with their new nuclear bomb and in to the heart of their great enemy......
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 2
I'm not in the Aviation business but I travel back and forth to Asia and am quite freaked out about traveling now.
You have a great board here and I really appreciate being able to read all of these posts from so many smart people & veteran pilots. I sent the link to my brother who is a former Air Force pilot- he will love this board.
Thanks for letting me join you
risgoh
Ris Goh 2
The plane could have landed earlier... But was shut down at 8:11am. These people know what they are doing!
Investigators now need to triangulate these last bit of info to narrow down where they landed.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 2
I think the authorities know a lot more than they are prepared to tell us yet. How come this is all only starting to filter out now? They are doing a lot behind the scene I think
dirceuhernandes
Dirceu Hernandes 2
I agree with you¹.
Dirceu
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 2
Agree as well
yr2012
matt jensen 1
they give out lil tidbits of info - then sit back and watch everyone scurry around.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
We're back at square one. There are new revelations that seem to indicate that the stolen passports may have more to do with a stolen passport syndicate than terrorism.

Also, it is being reported that the US has reviewed their infrared satelite data that looks for missile launches, and did not find the signature of a fuel explosion mid-air.

So the plane likely traveled some distance from the point of last radar contact.

Now the question is, where did the plane go?:
1. Did it slowly lose altitude and crash into the sea at a point further away and away from where everyone is searching?
2. Did they land somewhere (whether at the direction of hijackers or not)?
3. Did they crash on land and are covered by the triple canopy jungle endemic in the area?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Check out my post for an idea of what could have happened... text search for: "Looking for opinions..." Would like to know your opinion.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
From another site:

"The early warning system for the North American Air Defence Command detected no anomalies related to Flight 370, said one of the officials. Norad’s infrared and visual imagery can pick up heat sources such as explosions and missile launches, the official said."

As you and others have pointed out, there is a certain lack of information disclosure. Can we assume the above information is complete?
mojocoops
mojocoops 1
I am thinking point 1 is the case, but still very odd that all contact was lost and the reports of mumbling on the radio from the pilot that was ahead. Unless for some reason all occupants of the plane succumbed to hypoxia - but surely that would've sent off alarm bells from the monitoring system also.
aeroplanepics0112
Cole Goldberg 5
Ladies and Gentlemen, we are deeply saddened this morning with the news on MH370.

Malaysia Airlines confirms that flight MH370 had lost contact with Subang Air Traffic Control at 2.40am, today. There has been speculation that the aircraft has landed at Nanming. We are working to verify the authenticity of the report and others.

Flight MH370 was operated on a Boeing 777-200 aircraft. It departed Kuala Lumpur at 12.41 am earlier this morning bound for Beijing. The aircraft was scheduled to land at Beijing International Airport at 6.30am local Beijing time.

The flight was carrying a total number of 239 passengers and crew – comprising 227 passengers (including 2 infants), 12 crew members. The passengers were of 14 different nationalities - citizens from:-



1. China – 152 plus 1 infant

2. Malaysia - 38

3. Indonesia - 12

4. Australia - 7

5. France - 3

6. United States of America – 3 pax plus 1 infant

7. New Zealand - 2

8. Ukraine - 2

9. Canada - 2

10. Russia - 1

11. Italy - 1

12. Taiwan - 1

13. Netherlands - 1

14. Austria - 1

This flight was a code share with China Southern Airlines.

We are working with authorities who have activated their Search and Rescue team to locate the aircraft.

Our team is currently calling the next-of-kin of passengers and crew.

The flight was piloted by Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah, a Malaysian aged 53. He has a total flying hours of 18,365hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981. First officer, Fariq Ab.Hamid, a Malaysian, is aged 27. He has a total flying hours of 2,763 hours. He joined Malaysia Airlines in 2007.

Our focus now is to work with the emergency responders and authorities and mobilize its full support. Our thoughts and prayers are with all affected passengers and crew and their family members.

The airline will provide regular updates on the situation. The public may contact +603 7884 1234. For media queries, kindly contact +603 8777 5698/ +603 8787 1276.

Next-of-kin may head to the Support Facility Building at KLIA’s South Support Zone. For directions, call 03 8787 1269.
michaeljinlee
Michael L 2
Just read the news update from Hongkong based media ifeng.com: one Chinaissued passport in Fujian province, the holder was confirmed that he was not on the flight, passport number and name on the list does not match the record. Besides two stolen passports report... hmm~ this is really confusing now.
chick3nnn
Eddie Ng 1
thanks for your info.....
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 0
Safest part of the flight. I'm concerned that would be the time that the captain could/would get up to use the lav.

That would open up to the possibility of a catastrophic incident that the firs officer wasn't able to handle, or worse that the first officer would've locked the captain out (as had happened in the past).
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 0
These are still possibilities.

But I've adjusted to the information that has come to light. The stolen passports suggest that terrorism may have been involved. That there was no distress call suggests sudden catastrophic incident. Together with possible terrorism would point toward explosive device detonated midflight.

If I were the Malaysians, I would've been investagating what happened at KL airport prior to that flight. Everything. Who. What. Where. When. Why. How. (Which may explain the long delay in making the report of the missing plane public, after being notified by ATC that radar contact was lost.)

One of these us bad enough. The Malays don't want another.
joelwiley
joel wiley 0
From the discovery of two separate oil slicks (10 & 15 km long), one can infer that the A/C came apart at altitude. Under a suicide by pilot scenario, how hard would it be to tear a 777 apart deliberately while airborne?

Agree that a hard look at airport operations is in order.
preacher1
preacher1 1
I'm curious as to how far apart they were. It could have been in a ditching type config and tore apart on impact if they are fairly close.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
I've discarded the likelihood of ditching, especially if as you say the two oil slicks are far apart. The pilots weren't even able to male a distress call. More information (such as the military radar, transmitted data, debris fields, etc.) will help make a better determination about the last moments of the flight.
joelwiley
joel wiley 0
Can't find anything yet beyond the number and length. No width or distance. Of course one or both could be unrelated that noone noticed as noone was looking. Occam's razor tends slices toward them being related.

What is the range on the black box transponders?
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
The infographic linked here, does a phenomenal job of explaining the situation as currently understood, including the many options that we've been discussing here in the forum.

The also show the map of the events and explain the timeline.

Many people's questions will be answered by looking it over.

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Valvetronic
Valvetronic 1
If it is true,they should change the area for searchin 370.cause the aircraft flew minutes after lost contact.
Quackers
Quackers 4
Malaysian Airlines Operations VP on CNN just said the Nanming report is UNTRUE.
chick3nnn
Eddie Ng 0
yea...tht rumour is untrue...and MAS is contractin the next of kins....no updatad yet... hopefully nothing bad is happens
B772L
John Smith 4
Don't report things you have no facts for. Rumors are the last thing that the media need to report! They get it wrong enough on their own.
jwasielewski10
James Wasielewski 0
what does that report say???
jwasielewski10
James Wasielewski 1
Never mind, disregard my previous comment.
ilovenutella
ilovenutella -1
Wow! Crazy weird.
NineMikeCharlie
Dennis Coughlin 1
Where did you get that report? Internet shows Malaysian Digest dot com is off the air.
ilovenutella
ilovenutella 1
It's back up
http://www.malaysiandigest.com/frontpage/282-main-tile/492200-updated-mas-kl-beijing-flight-mh370.html

Contacts at Malaysian Air from a personal source say the plane did land.
bizjets101
biz jets 1
Your on an aviation site, so I'll assume you must or at least have some interest in aviation. There is ZERO chance this aircraft could have flown to China without multiple radar hits - IMPOSSIBLE.

The aircraft was at flight level FL350, 2 hours and 1 minute into it's flight at 02:41 - over vast rough terrain (Vietnam). Whatever happened to this aircraft, they did not have time to issue a Pan, Pan, Pan - so be it a catastrophic airframe/aircraft failure, a terrorist act, or pilot suicide - but it's one of the 3.
ilovenutella
ilovenutella 0
biz jets, I'm not arguing with you in any way, I was simply adding another story to the lineup of information. Unfortunately, there are numerous rumors going around and this came from a news source, so I thought I'd add to the list of speculation.

I can only hope that people take everything on websites with a grain of salt until Malaysian Air and Boeing comes up with an official report. I was under the impression that this feed was to report any information received on this horrible incident.
bizjets101
biz jets 4
Wow - still missing - thought I'd wake up to news but I see they are still searching - so I'll provide my own update - the news services kinda suck.

http://www.nst.com.my/ seems to be the most updated news site - noted is one person - an Italian whose name appears on the flight manifest - did not board the flight - so either there is one less person on the plane, or someone unidentified as yet???

Photo; confirmation of last known location; http://i.imgur.com/ikl7rNi.jpg which puts the aircraft in open water between Malaysia and Vietnam.

Photo; last known location of aircraft; http://i.imgur.com/eKzlqEY.jpg

From 9M-MRO's wingtip strike when it collided with a China Eastern A340 and was repaired,

Photo - 9M-MRO's wingtip sitting on China Eastern A340; http://i.imgur.com/eKzlqEY.jpg

Photo - 9M-MRO - with wingtip missing; http://news.xinhuanet.com/energy/2012-08/10/123563968_11n.jpg and another photo; http://cdn.feeyo.com/pic/20120810/201208100956203830.jpg

Important to note; two aircraft in the past have crashed due to work performed from damage years earlier;

Air China 611 (tail strike) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611

Japan Airlines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123

along with several aircraft (4) were pilot committed suicide;

Silk Air 185; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SilkAir_Flight_185

Eygpt Air 990; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

There was also the China Airlines 006 crew that became spatially disorientated 10 hours into the flight - badly damaged their aircraft but landed safely in USA; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_006

So that leaves a terror act (bomb), or some catastrophic and sudden event - so far a real unknown.

RIP and GodSpeed to those onboard, condolences to families and friends involved.
stiri
stiri 1
according to italian press it seems the italian guy's passport had been stolen last august in Thailand, see the link i posted before, so the unidentified person suggestion could be true
wopri
Wolfgang Prigge 0
Addition to your list of murder/suicide by pilot:

Mozambican Airlines flight TM470 left the capital Maputo bound for Angola on 29 November, but crashed, killing all 33 people all board.

The Civil Aviation Institute said the pilot made a "deliberate series of manoeuvres" causing the crash.



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-25482083
stephmo
Steve Brown 3
Wasn't there just a close incident with a passenger Jet flying in the path of a missile over Vietnam (North)
hswiseman
Howard Wiseman 2
In the early '90's I flew Thai Air from Bangkok to HK. As we crossed into Cambodia, we picked up two MIG escorts. Not my happiest memory aloft.
Quackers
Quackers 0
That was North Korea.
khuenhat83
Khue Nhat 3
I'm from Saigon, Vietnam. Military helicopters have been sent to the site in an attempt of search and rescue.
khuenhat83
Khue Nhat 1
Still no confirming what happened to the airplane in the press conference in Beijing. We are sending Antonov An-26 from Tan Son Nhat airport to the site. The 12 southwestern coastal provinces have been put on high alert for search and rescue readiness. IMHO, we'd better not jump to any conclusion about why, until we found physical evidence.
khuenhat83
Khue Nhat 1
Malaysia and the Philippines are sending ships and airplanes.
thanatos1990
Yuxiang Ma 1
2014年3月8日 波音中国总裁马爱仑@小马哥爱747:The plane is found but our sorrows grow. Our technical assistance team is en route to assist the investigating authorities off the Vietnamese coast. Father God, pls grant comfort to those who have lost loved ones.

that's all he said at blog
khuenhat83
Khue Nhat 1
There can still be survivors, Yuxiang. Hold on.
aeroplanepics0112
Cole Goldberg 3
"MH370 pax next-of-kin may head to Support Facility Building at KLIA South Support Zone or to Anjung Tinjau Level 5 KLIA for transportation."

[This poster has been suspended.]

TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 2
CNN filmed a story on Malaysian Airlines and the Co Pilot is featured in this clip. http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/03/08/newday-quest-malaysia-plane-search.cnn.html
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Thanks for posting... Good article.
JackalRovers
Jack Lee 1
Yeah, and Richard Quest apparently knows the co-pilot as well
bizjets101
biz jets 1
Thanks - one of the better posts so far!!
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 2
Apparently this photo/link was taken by a passenger on another MH flight from KUL to Beijing the next day. Reportedly 90 minutes out of KUL showing the debris field. If its true its kinda sad how they can't find this, seems pretty obvious (again, IF its real). I don't think this is a repost but sorry if it is.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-pictures-claimed-be-showing-wreckage-plane-posted-chinese-1439484
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 1
Check that...reportedly on a flight FROM Beijing to KUL, that would put it on the perfect timeline with when the photo was claimed to have been taken.
syzyzgy
Richard Grigg 1
Really. That's no way real. Have you ever looked it an airplane window from 35,000 ft? Clearly not if you think that's a real pic!!
krafsurjoe
krafsurjoe 0
Well that's why I said "IF its real" haha. But no, I had my doubts. Although, I have to say its potentially believable, just depends on the size of the debris we're seeing and the zoom on the camera.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
This is why I have trouble with that picture. Open google earth and look at your house from 5,000 ft. Then zoom out to 30,000 ft. What kind of detail go you get? Or look at the boneyard in Tucson, AZ.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
If the pix was taken @ FL33, then the pieces would have to be pretty large to be seen. Should be easy to locate if so.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
FL33? At QNH 1013/altimeter 29.92, there wouldn't be a FL33. That would be 3,300ft MSL. Are you sure you don't mean FL330? If not, what is the transition altitude for that sector?
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Short answer: NO! Not confirmed.

This is a rehash from last night's news. The pic was taken by a search plane (not reported in this article) in fading light (not reported in this article) and that why need to send rescue ships to confirm that the 2 pieces of debris she anything to do with the plane (also not reported in the article).

Last night's news, but only half of it.

Journalists always need something to publish, even if it's a rehash.
syzyzgy
Richard Grigg 2
Some questions answered with fact or speculation.

The only question seemingly unanswered with fact or speculation is what happened between 01:20 (MH comms contact lost - also time of last location recorded by internet radar trackers like flightradar24 & flightaware) and 02:40 (last radar contact by Subang air traffic control) - both event times come from Malaysia Airline announcements.

It is germane to note that all day yesterday the Malaysia Airline announcements consistently stated that Subang air traffic control lost radar contact with MH370 at 02:40. However today's Malaysia Airlines announcements mention that "we" last had contact at 01:30.

An hour+ is a lot of additional flight time! Where did MH370 go? In that time it could almost have reached the southern Philippines.

Stolen passports, no crash debris....... This is continuing to look more and more like a "hijacking".........

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BiN32qFCEAAsBqH.jpg#twimg
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 0
Lines of the time zone in Southeast Asia aren't relatively straight as here in US. There is a zigzag in the line between Malaysia and Vietnam, so the difference might just be due to the local time zones used. 1:30 AM in Vietnam is 2:30 AM in Malaysia. I don't know. http://www.worldtimezone.com/wtz014.php
jlee11435
James Lee 0
Did the 9M-MRO landed in Tawi-tawi (RPMN) that's the southern most airport in the Philippines that I know? The runway has been upgraded long enough to land a Airbus 300. I'm just speculating, too. We landed in Zamboanga City airport before enroute to Bandar Seri Begawan but Tawi-tawi wasn't long enough to land at least a 737 yet.

Stolen passports, no crash debris? How come Flightware don't show flight path of 9M-MRO where it ended. Does flightware rely on the aircraft's transponder?
sootchucker
soot chucker -3
what if they dumped fuel simulating an impact with water to divert everyones attention from something much larger? could this explain lack of debris? a missing 777, along with 227 souls is not a good scenario for anyone. could the plane have even flown somewhere... undetected? perhaps no signals that we know of from the plane could mean they weren't ever activated in the first place.

many missing pieces to this puzzle... very curious to see how this plays out.
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 1
This is just more wild speculation.

There are multiple military radar installations in the region that would have been able to get a "skin paint" off of an airplane as large as a B777. It couldn't just "hide".

Let's stick to facts, not suppositions.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
As for it being diverted, it seems to me that you would need at least a 5000' paved runway to land a 777 on without "breaking" it. Wouldn't you? They aren't puddle jumpers. I would suspect that there aren't that many runways in that area where a landing wouldn't be noticed and tracked.
sootchucker
soot chucker 1
never said this was a fact. this is a discussion. no one really knows anything for sure other than this plane is missing, and this is a terrible incident.
Falconus
Falconus 1
This kind of speculation really does not help anything, and if the news media gets hold of it, it could actually be harmful as authorities would have to tie up resources to track down the source of the reports, and families would get a really wrong idea. There is zero reason to think that somebody snuck off with a 777 en route on a scheduled flight and hid it somewhere.
sootchucker
soot chucker 1
assuming this airplane has been hijacked..
wayne007
Wayne Jeffrey 2
A part of me wants to hope that the aircraft is on the ground at some remote airport somewhere, but sadly the realistic side of me thinks otherwise.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of those who are missing.
nasdisco
Chris B 2
Lets not forget this recent alert. Systems are tested on softer targets before being tested on more "complex" targets.

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/2014/02/19/department-of-homeland-security-alerts-airlines-to-possible-shoe-bomb-threat/
preacher1
preacher1 2
I know this sounds crass, but since it is obviously down, I hope it is from terroristic activity rather than anything to do with aircraft failure of any kind.
JackalRovers
Jack Lee -1
either way , its horrific enough. Dont think one method is better than the other
bpres
Brian Presbury 1
to land an aircraft the size of a 777 without any word from anyone lends itself to a country like Somalia. MAS must know the amount of fuel uplifted and hence the range NOT allowing for reserves etc. as these would be planned to be used.I would urge a check on hostile country airstrips
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
My money is on a Somalia landing.
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
You think Skinny Rat had something to do with it?
yr2012
matt jensen 1
Gotta go with NK
claudemberg
KNOW WHAT TO ACONTECEY MH370: [VIDEO] TRANSPONDER the flight MH370 Malaysian Airlines may have been off 'intentionally'. http://blogdoberguinho.blogspot.com.br/2014/03/video-transponder-do-voo-mh370-da.html
mbazell
mbazell 1
If it did indeed maintain flight for 5 hours after radar lost, it could have made it to the Gulf Of Oman (Muscat air space) or just inside Pakistani border. At Mach .84 for about 5 hrs it would have no problem reaching landfall.

Google earth shows many old abandoned air strips in the desert SE of Muscat such as Ras al Hadd N22 27.9 E59 46.7 whose runway appears to be intact and is long enough (1.5nm long) for a "light" B777 to land. If the 5 hr theory or report is accurate, search and rescue needs to start searching 5 hours out (approx 2275nm)from the point of lost radar and work their way back in towards Kuala Lampur. This whole incident is so bazaar it seems like an episode of The Twilight Zone.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
This was why I was mentioning distance relative to the last known point of contact that 5 - 6 hours of fuel could give.

Karachi is well within range, as well as Darwin, Perth, Cairns, Manila, Chennai, Goa, Mumbai, Colombo, Male, and for that matter, if Muscat is within range, Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Qatar, and Bahrain would be as well. If going the other way, that puts Guam in range as well.

Perhaps we were right in thinking that they are too narrow in their search, because if it goes out further, you're looking at a good chunk of the planet to search.
mot5
Jennifer Rogers 1
Breaking aircraft has to be on ground since there probably isn't enough fuel for the aircraft to still be in the air.
chick3nnn
Eddie Ng 1
fuel enough for 7.5hr as per mentions.....we better wait for updated news
bizjets101
biz jets 1
Well we know it's not flying, what we don't know is where and why it crashed.
consultafzal
Mohammad Afzal 1
I just fail to understand that in this day and age of cyber space technology, why cannot we get rid of the BLACK BOX and start recording data real time in the CLOUD using real time feed into the cloud database...wake up aviation guys get out of your BLACK BOX theory..
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
First of all, how much money are you willing to contribute to provide the infrastructure, applications development, ongoing maintenance, and personnel costs to support such a system?

What sort of volume of data do you envision such a system would handle?
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
Reminds me a lot of the Air France 447. I hope and pray this is a big screw up and it landed safely somewhere.
B772L
John Smith 1
Sadly, this is looking very unlikely.
risgoh
Ris Goh 1
I was expecting this sooner or later.

Now what we need are satellite photos of potential runways within 5-6hr flight radius and at about the time the aircraft ended its flight.

Most likely the route will mostly be over water to avoid military radar.

If this had been planned then they'll likely put the aircraft into hanger once its landed.
bpres
Brian Presbury 1
these runways have to be in an area where people will not open their mouths-Somalia hasn't been mentioned but MAS will know how much fuel was uplifted and hence the range
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
WSJ reports it; Rolls Royce says no! ????? ONE MASSIVE CF!
kwu20001
kev wu 1
looks like the dissepearence happened in the "safest" phase of the flight

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/07/travel/malaysia-airliner-analysis/
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
Yes, it's why the Air France flight was such a big deal. Planes don't fall out of the sky.
aeroplanepics0112
Cole Goldberg 1
A joint rescue operation is underway with China and Malaysia, according to the airline.

MAS confirmed the last point of contact with the airplane was 120 nautical miles off Kota Bharu over South China Sea. The airline said there was no bad weather in the area at the time of the disappearance.

So far, the carrier is reporting there was no distress call. via - http://airchive.com/blog/2014/03/07/breaking-malaysia-airlines-reports-lost-contact-with-aircraft/
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Afraid it's probably more a search operation than a rescue one.
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
While unlikely they still haven't confirmed the report it landed at Nanming, China as being false.
JerrySteinberg
Jerry Steinberg 1
Malaysia: Radar Tracked Object Over Strait of Malacca Saturday Morning - Life Raft Reported Found, Fishermen Say They Saw Low-Flying Plane

http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.com/2014/03/malaysia-radar-tracked-object-over-strait-of-malacca-saturday-morning/
jwmson
jwmson 1
This probably will be a very long process. There will be many false leads that the media will pounce on with its usual feeding frenzy. Indeed, the remains may never be found, especially if they are outside the South China Sea and/or waters near Malaysia.
MattR
Matt Richards 1
Vietnamese authorities now say the reports a signal had been detected were false
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
What is security like @KL? In this day and age it's pretty difficult to loose contact with an aircraft without some type of major failure.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
By security, are you concerned about passenger baggage screening?

Does security mean knowing if your first officer, a flight attendant, mechanic or security officer had been radicalized?
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Passenger screening mostly. Ground and flight crew screening is somewhat problematic anywhere, at least in my opinion. No mind readers, so we have to depend on physical means. I mostly fly domestic so not sure what screening crews get on International flights.
B772L
John Smith 1
Why do they have to be "radicalized" to harm others?
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
It would take either being radicalized or pyschopathic/depressed to be willing to kill oneself plus 100's of others.

'Radicalized' comes up in that there are lots of Muslims in some parts of SE Asia. Nationalities of passengers were released. Names, ages, flight hours and nationality of the pilots was also shared.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
They don't have to be "radicalized"; does anyone else remember the PSA flight lost over the Central Valley in California? That was just a disgruntled employee or ex-employee.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Apparently, already discounted by NBC.

@AnnCurry: Careful. Reports that new satellite images may show wreckage of Malasia Airlines MH370 are premature.

All of it should be premature until they get multiple sets of eyes on the debris.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
The latest developments reported in the ever increasing mystery of MH370's disappearance
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vsa00njt44sdr2g/MH370%20missing%20flight.txt
dseven
iain MacDonnell 1
From https://www.breakingnews.com/topic/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-flight-march-8-2014/

"Editor's note: CNN and BBC are reporting that Chinese satellite imagery may show the missing Malaysia Airlines plane, near where the jet's transporter turned off. Nothing is confirmed. - Tom"
drtoboggan
Howard Toboggan 1
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

(Video) AP Report On Missing Malaysia Airlines 777

Associated Press Report -- Malaysia Airlines says it lost contact with plane carrying 239 people on its way to Beijing, the route taking passengers from Malaysia across to Vietnam and China. CCTV discusses the family members' concerns.

http://www.aviationvideos.co/2014/03/associated-press-report-on-missing.html
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
Anyone seen this report yet, Vietnamese Navy recorded a plane crash into the ocean. :(

http://my.news.yahoo.com/mas-aircraft-goes-missing--says-airline-023820132.html
mbmcginnis
Michael McGinnis 1
Is this a movie or real life? With almost every new squawk there is a new twist. It has certainly kept me on the edge of my seat. This aside, my heart does go out to the families of those missing. I cannot imagine their situation and having to deal with this uncertainty to what happened.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
Remember Payne Stewarts private jet when they experienced a decompression? A
Catastrophic decompression event may have rendered the Flight Crew incapacitated. The 777 had 7+ hours of fuel left when it dropped off the radar. Tracking aircraft over land is a given. Over water most likely, no verbal communication. Widen the search grid to the west.
One more thing... buying 1-way tickets with "CASH"? That raises a red flag to me.
Doobs
Dee Lowry 1
Correction: Radar tracks in a straight line. Earth is round, therefore, radar is deemed insignificant. The "Transpoder" on the other hand was turned off. The B-777 is a "High Tech" aircraft with backups.
This is a head scratcher. But my thought is that it was taken down intentionally.
Anybody think about North Korea? They wouldn't own up to it! But the Maylasian government is holding a lot back for some reason. Maybe they don't want to "lose face".
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
I doubt NK has the means to carry it off undetected.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 0
No comparison between the 2! Catastrophic decompression at that altitude would destroy the fuselage.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
...and Russia categorically denies its troops are in Crimea.
So why are they searching the Strait of Malacca?
nethery2010
Taylor Nethery 1
China has deployed two ships to the South China Sea. Looks like it will be a while till we hear anything. Thoughts and prayers to the victims families.
MattHauke
Matt Hauke 1
geez, I should proof read better. I'm sure you guys can figure out what my typos are supposed to be.
MattHauke
Matt Hauke 1
oops, this post shouldn't be here. I really wish this side had an edit button with a delete option.

[This poster has been suspended.]

tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 1
I would suggest people take some moments to consider the region of the World where this occurred, and to contemplate the political implications.

AND to understand how military secrets tend to be held very, very "close to the chest".
preacher1
preacher1 2
I really think the military has taken control of this thing and is not telling nothing.

[This poster has been suspended.]

joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Not just the real-estate involved. Over a dozen countries with passengers. That includes the possible Irani flying on a stolen Italian passport- does that mean an interest by Iran or Italy?
Welcome to FlightAware.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Jurisdiction will be a big issue; esp. when the inevitable lawsuits start. Frankly surprised that they haven't yet.
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast

Malaysia's military believes a jetliner missing for almost four days turned and flew hundreds of kilometers to the west ...

"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters....
the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.

story here
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Malaysia Airlines flight 370 is has crashed 153 miles off of Vietnam’s Tho Chu island- the Vietnamese Navy confirms.

http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/03/breaking-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-missing/
risgoh
Ris Goh 1
Quick questions for the experts here: if the plane turn around and fly westwards, will it have enough fuel to reach east coast of Africa?
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Unlikely. At the most, after flying west for an hour then turning back east, with 6.5 hours of fuel remaining onboard, You're looking at Colombo, Sri Lanka at the least, Goa or Mumbai, India at the most. Definitely wouldn't make Africa without stopping to refuel.
preacher1
preacher1 1
We must be thinking of a hijack by Somali pirates
joelwiley
joel wiley 0
That had not occurred to me. Do they have the resources to plan something like that?
onceastudentpilot
tim mitchell 1
After talking to some friends on another website, looking at a map and reading through some of the rumors and a small amount of research it makes sense to me that if there was a problem with the plane they were probably trying to make it to Sultan Ismail Petra but came up short.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
What was last reported engine position at Rolls Royce?
ericdasilva
Eric da Silva 1
(Duplicate Squawk Submitted)

2 Canadians have been identified on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370

There were two Canadians that were identified on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1195531/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-flight-carrying-239-people/
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
The bookies in the UK soon may post the airports with the latest odds.
mightytravels
Mighty Travels 1
How many (remote?) airports in the Maldives are good enough to land a 777? Seems like the perfect remote spot for landing a plane! Torsten @ http://www.mightytravels.com
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
Does anyone know how Boeing sets up systems on board? I was thinking about the post below that says Boeing reports the plane to be in Pakistan and it made me wonder....
I know that Malaysia Airlines did not "subscribe" to their service but does that mean the plane wasn't equipped to tell Boeing where it is?? or maybe all the planes are equipped so they do have the info, but Malaysia Airlines just wasn't paying for the service.

Here is the link to the article- the only one I could find that says Boeing reported this:
http://www.lignet.com/InBriefs/Malaysia-Hunts-for-Missing-Jet-in-Pakistan-Israel-
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Satellite telemetry feedback... Even though Malaysia Airlines did not have the subscription, I suppose to assist in finding the a/c that they could have turned it on. They could have downloaded current data, or just polled for the last know GPS or FMS Coordinates. FMS is more accurate than GPS, but not enough that it would make that much difference.
Protoavis
Protoavis 1
Does anyone see this just as a possible systems failure based on the "current" timeline which was finally returned to where it made sense? Call me crazy, but the chain of events still support this as probable, as a slight possibly of suicide... Amazing how the Press runs wild with all the misinformation and proves if you don't give them something, they make it up...
preacher1
preacher1 1
Until the plane is found, anything is possible. To boot, if it is found crashed, there is no telling what happened until it is recovered and the FDR/CVR analyzed. In the case of AF447, that took 2 years, even though it was located within a week.
hswiseman
Howard Wiseman 1
Per Jan's "The aircraft lost contact with Subang around 2:40am. FlightAware estimates this to be at the southern end of Nanning in Guangxi, China"
superwbd
superwbd 1
It would be quite strange that no radar report had been released. Not to say Nanning, Guangxi is at the edge of China, so it can almost be 100% sure that the sky there is covered with radar, especially military ones for national defense purpose. But we can see nothing, hear nothing, no 7*00, no nothing.... No good.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
You forget that you're talking about China. How can you ve surprised that information is not forthcoming? (in a country that tightly controls information and media)
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
Actually I stand corrected.

The BBC article reports that Chinese state news agency stares that the plane never entered Cinese airspace nor contacted Chinese controllers and would be expected lost over Vietnamese Airspace.
superwbd
superwbd 1
Some original pictures of the collision in Aug 2012:
http://pic.feeyo.com/posts/569/5691311.html
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ACICFG
hswiseman
Howard Wiseman 1
She could fly like that no problem. Proper repair should have no effect on airframe integrity.
superwbd
superwbd 1
I totally agree with you, and I believe Chinese do excellent maintenance job. But God know what's going on over there...
williaminc000
William kyle 1
Air France Flight 447 on June 1st 2009 disappear from radar over 216 people missing with the plane took two years to find the plane… / Now 2014 Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 disappear from radar with over 239 people missing.. every thing that is happening now happen in 2009 history is repeating itself again. look up Air France 447 video on youtube same story
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
the difference is they found pieces of wreckage in less than a week so they knew it crashed.
preacher1
preacher1 1
The main difference is that there was a pretty good idea of where it went down due to tracking and a debris field. It was nearly 2 years to recover.
seesha
jack shannon 1
Boeing is reporting the plane is down on the ground in Pakistan. This is not good news for anyone.
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
is this a good source? I have no idea but it's the only thing I can find:
http://www.lignet.com/InBriefs/Malaysia-Hunts-for-Missing-Jet-in-Pakistan-Israel-
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
If so, the squawk below has a theory on how it reached there:
http://flightaware.com/squawks/view/1/direct/linked/40873/

(it may not work for long)
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I have not see that in any of the news items... Where did it originate from?
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
where did you see this report?
preacher1
preacher1 1
Well, it is not picked up on National News yet.
oldfolkie
Iain Girling 1
While we are still theorising: As I understand it, the transponder was deliberately turned off. That means one or more of the flight deck crew must have been complicit in the activity. The aircraft does not then become "invisible" to radar, but "unidentified". An unidentified aircraft can expect to be intercepted and if no response is had ..................
I am not a pilot, but what happened here ?
charas
charas 1
Would this scenario be possible? http://www.flight-mh370.us/2014/03/the-location-of-mh370.html

Also, there are reports of another 777-200 pilot contacting MH370 over emergency frequency (is that VHF?). If this is confirmed, this is the last known contact, even after the last contact with Subang ATC. Why does that pilot not want to be identified? (My guess is that it was MH 88 except that the timelines don't matchup, unless it left really late). Isn't there anyone who also heard it? Perhaps, they could have heard more details?
honda705hp
Richard Rael 1
Yes it is VHF
sflso
David Kay 1
Qty of fuel loaded should have recorded prior to takeoff, either with the airline or the refueling company.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
It is.. They know to the Lb, Gallon, or Liter on board. What they do not know is what the fuel burn, so there will be some range of flight time.
icywings
Icy Wings 1
How much fuel was loaded? Now, it could have been altered as well though. If the fueler on the ground was in on it then he/she may have loaded more fuel than normally required for the route at the pilots request. However, if the crew were not involved, the hijackers would have needed to plan to fly within the fuel range og the fuel on board for Beijing. I'm very interested in the theory that the plane could have gone to Socotra Island SCT off of Yemen to refuel. Socotra is only around 300 miles further then Beijing would've been miles. Looking at Google Earth the approach looks like it would be over the water so no one would hear it for the most part. Plus the runway looks pretty far from any residence. I don't know the timeline though. Is it possible for them to have made it SCT, refueled, took off and made it to that ring where the Satellite pinged it at 8:11am?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
That is one thing we do not know
honda705hp
Richard Rael 1
I wan to note here that socotra island is the most logical place. but with the preference of the us carriers in the are it got me to think. where are the carriers and there TASK FORCE support groups. turn out that all but 2 are in there home ports. and no carrier is near socotra island. i BUT PERHAPS OUR ALLIES MIGHT HAVE A TASK FORCE NEAR THAT ISLAND. BUT THAT I DO NOT KNOW/
Quackers
Quackers 1
Some thoughts

DISCLAIMER: I'm just an aviation enthusiast. I'm not claiming to know everything. This is just all speculation.

Assuming the information we know up to now is accurate, somebody on the plane(with aviation knowledge), turned off two separate systems that allowed the plane to be tracked easier / communicate, at two different times.
The plane then turns away from its planned path, flies OVER Malaysia/Thailand etc, is tracked to the Malacca straits and then "disappears" about an hour after the course change.
Now, assuming it still flew on, it flew for several more hours before crashing. (Hard to land a 777 anywhere without being noticed- I am not going to get into conspiracy theories that it landed on some island etc).
Big search area now comes about. If it crashed on land, we would have some radar contacts/ a big amount of fire, smoke and wreckage that somebody would[b] probably [/b]have noticed. Ocean crash, well stuff won't wash up on shore if its in the middle of the Indian Ocean. Might see some wreckage if it was in the Bay of Bengal. (Its possible things may have washed up on some remote beach). Radar coverage in that area is spotty, and unless the Indian Air Force or somebody out at Diego Garcia caught a glimpse of the plane on radar, the planes likely sitting out on the middle of the ocean floor.
Assuming this is correct, the CVR wouldn't capture the whole incident, just the last few hours. FDR would tell us what the plane was doing the entire time but both of these assume we actually are able to retrieve them. This situation with the flight recorders reminds me of that South African 747 (flight 295).

On to the possibilities of what happened, in order of likelihood in my mind:
1- Pilot/ co pilot action. (Egypt Air 990, Silk Air 185)
2- Hijack/ Terrorism or Hijack/ ransom attempt gone wrong (but no claim of responsibility or demands?)

Anyway, thats what I think of the situation so far. Feel free to reply
Quackers
Quackers 1
(all of this assumes we ever find wreckage; Different situation but this also reminds me of PP-VLU)
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Sorry...Duoneb :-(
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
You mean allegedly, don't you?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Who are you replying to??? Click the reply under the message, and reply... Keep the threads together.
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
Staying positive is the best we can do at this point.
Duoneb
Duoneb 1
Has anyone checked the news lately? Like I've said all along they and the plane have crashed into the ocean.
CaptainFreedom
CaptainFreedom 1
Let's hope/pray for survivors before we begin to speculate at cause.
hswiseman
Howard Wiseman 1
Telemetry data will be important, just like AF447
usmanrockys
USMAN RASHEED 1
Anyone could explain the requirements of ILS CAT-3C
usmanrockys
USMAN RASHEED 1
Anyone can explain the requirements of ILS CAT-3C
ALF8247
Alfred Stone 1
They said that there was enough fuel to reach Kazakhstan, well Pakistan is much closer and they did hide Bin Laden for so many year. Don't trust them at all. Just a thought.
ALF8247
Alfred Stone 1
KingAirB200
KingAirB200 1
I hope this is not another incident like Air France 447 :(
hswiseman
Howard Wiseman 1
Xinhua News Agency: The plane lost communication over Vietnam with the control department in the Ho Chi Minh area at 1:20 a.m. local
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Love to read all the different scenerios, none of which are that far fetched. Interested in seeing what the actual outcome will be. Again, it would be a miracle if everyone was alive.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I believe in miracles... A lot here do... If everyone survives, I would be satisfied to call it a modern day miracle.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Aaah, the human mind... Isn't it a great thing?
Elect
Sam Rivers 1
ACARS ping being used as a crude radar pulse and response transit time being used to determine range ? That would generate coridors when crossed with fuel.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Icy Wings....unfortunately, this is one of many different scenerios that could be used to accomplish a destructive suicide mission.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
I doubt that would be the case, as if that was the case parts would be spread over and floating on the ocean...
Elect
Sam Rivers 1
Can cabin pressure be controlled from the flight deck on B777 ??
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
yes, and the captain can dump all the pressurization as well. The O2 masks will drop, but they will only be good for 15 to 20 minutes max.
Elect
Sam Rivers 1
We'll that would take care of pax but why wouldn't that bring on cell phone use / ping when turned on ? Somehow collected / disabled prior to climb. Out of cell tower sight / range ?
yr2012
matt jensen 1
Cells don't work well above FL12 and/or 150nm from land. My Iridium works just about anywhere.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
That High up and far from the coast.. No way. A Cell phone only has about a 2 mile range.. One they were over 2 miles high, and 2 they were more than 2 miles off the coast...
sgbelverta
sharon bias 1
Still don't understand why the pilots houses weren't searched much sooner than 7 days into the mystery. I'm darn sure the CIA and Chinese have intelligence agents in that area of the world. Not saying they should disturb a potential crime scene, but they're trained to look around without leave a trace. They could have been "unnamed" sources to point the investigation in a different direction if they found something. Of course, they might have already had a look around and found nothing. If the Malaysian police do find information 7 days after the mystery, then that shows our own weakness in intelligence gathering.
Lorna73
Lorna Sallis 1
OR....they're very skilled at carrying out investigations without letting any leaks to the press. Bear in mind this is HUGE. The whole world is talking about it. If they know more about us than we do, which I am assuming they do, they could jeapordise the entire operation by telling us what they know. My guess is this is an intensely complicated situation. We only know the tip of the iceberg.
sgbelverta
sharon bias 1
This is sad, but I hope this is some pilot goes nuts situation and not a Chinese vs Muslim issue. That is a truly scarry scenario. Does anyone know if this was the pilots regular route, or had they requested it? Given the geography of Malaysia, anyone flying a 777 is going to travel over water. If the pilots switched from say, Malaysia to Sydney to Malaysia to Beijing, that could provide some insight into the situation.
mlstove
Michael Stover 1
Just a technical question this morning that maybe some of the pilots on this site could answer?

Why have a switch in the cockpit that turns off the transponder? Maybe the switch has other settings but could "off" be removed from the equation?

Much like September 11th,the bottom line while impossible to think of everything I still to this day can't believe what happened that day anymore than someone just borrowed (maybe) a 777. It's also unfortunate that when you fly internationally for your job although without knowing what happened it makes you contemplate whether to go to certain locations. It almost makes one angry to think that here we are in 2014 this type of thing happens with 240 souls and the families impacted.

And unfortunately this type of issue has long branches because the first thing I wanted to find out is which Alliance this airline was a member of and thought to myself this very easily could be me or a colleague. Seriously two people used stolen passports and if true the airline didn't pay extra money to have the additional tracking capability?

If you want to protect your own citizens and abroad you best have the ability to thoroughly review passport origin and validity. If you want to purchase Plane X and be a part of Alliance B then you must have the ability to operate and track the aircraft.

Ivan wrote, "there must be overtime at the CIA". My hope is every government agency in this country and every airline in the sky is sitting in the boardroom reviewing protocol and procedure to ensure this becomes truly impossible.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
There are 2 transponders onboard the a/c. You cannot have both on at the same time because they will interfere, also, the frequency that these things operate makes them harmful to people working in close proximity (IE Ground Personel) and therefore needs to be turned off. Also, if there is a fail putting out false information, they need to be disabled.
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
From what other have said everything has a circuit breaker in case of a fire/malfuction. They want to be able to cut power to it. I've heard other reasons like the Transponder can sometimes give out bad/conflicting information and confuse ATC.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Keep in mind not all CB's are in the cockpit... A lot are, many are not.. On the 777 I do not know how many are or are not.
adamplive
Adam Piasecki 1
I hear a lot of people saying the transponder can be turned off for a lot of reasons. I get that. Shouldn't we have a backup Transponder that is totally separate from everything that can be turned on from the ground?

I'm not saying they should turn it on as soon as they lose the primary transponder, but as a last resort.

I would love to know from Pilots, Engineers is there anything currently that can be controlled from the ground? Or is simply communications and monitoring.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
No... If you have failures, they need to be shut down... There is a backup transponder, but you cannot run 2 at the same time, so you have to turn off the bad one and turn on the good one... Also, they both need to be off at the gate due to ground personnel, and erroneous readings to ATC at the gate.
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
As all the news media says..."Breaking News"...still looking for plane!
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
Another interesting detail is that the flight was a red-eye. Most, if not all of the pax were asleep when the possible overtaking and flight deviation occurred. Opportunists could use this to their advantage in overtaking the plane...less pax interference. I don't know, but I think it's an interesting scenerio.
sgbelverta
sharon bias 1
Yup, most people would be asleep. But I never sleep on a plane. I look out the window. Much of this trip was over land. I know I'd be real curious if I wasn't seeing lots of light from cities below. See:

https://www.google.com/search?q=china+lights+from+space&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=kqskU77dGIH6oASt8ILwAw&ved=0CCwQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=893

to get an idea of what this area looks like from space. It would be a lot brighter from 30000 feet. The moon was in 1/4 phase, so people should have been able to see they were over the ocean too.
stackorama
James Stack 1
Hey lets update this news story people!1
yr2012
matt jensen 1
A satellite was able to pick up a signal from the plane until 08:11 local time - more than seven hours after it lost radar contact
risgoh
Ris Goh 1
Found something on google map here: 25.437680,60.379290 Konarak Iran.
Runway length look like close to 4km. Does this look like a B777-200?
systemf
Kos Pol 1
Looks like A300
StarFlyr
StarFlyr 1
First of all, it's around 3200 miles from the point where the ship apparently turned NW. Second, AFAIK, these Google maps are not updated very often.

That said, it does look like a wide body (767, 777, 330). My guess, no.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
With a 4400nm range it's inside the parameters. For this whole week I was thinking NK
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
James Hausman seems to be on target. SOMALIA, one of the airports there. They are PIRATES! They now have over 200 passports at their disposal, a 777-200 that has been repainted already, and over 200 hostages for sale. The two iranians may just be part of the scheme to take the blame for the highjacking so that the pilots may be innocent and return to Malaysia to their families, with some reward. My first guess was also Somalia then Socotra. Without wreckage near Malaysia and 2 passangers with false passports, and the radar contact interrupted, and the signals from the motor continuing, the flight was headed to a far off place. The plane didn't have to fly low for the whole trip, only near India and the Maldives after which it could fly higher to gain distance. In the end, the satellites may reveal the route as the flight simulator is revealing the pilots' preparations for the landing. Iran has an airport also in the south near the coast,
fireftr
Dale Ballok 1
That's a pretty strong statement against pilots, or any work group. There's a bad apple in every basket, but lets not condemn everyone for the issues of a slight few. Flight crews commandeering their plane for personal vendetta's is minute. Lets pray for the pax and crew.
NineMikeCharlie
Dennis Coughlin 1
Anyone know what the wx was at the time in the area?
aeroplanepics0112
Cole Goldberg 2
Michael Palmer, a meteorologist for The Weather Channel, said there were no significant weather conditions in the area.
"It's pretty much clear skies" from Kaula Lampur to Vietnam and the rest of Southeast Asia, Palmer said.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/malaysia-airlines-flight-239-aboard-goes-missing-n47516
NineMikeCharlie
Dennis Coughlin 1
A review of all available met charts online show almost no weather whatsoever in any intensity anywhere on the the scheduled route. Including right now - CAVU.
microsatellites
kenneth rodrigues 1
Could the aircraft headed towards Diego Garcia. Has a large airfield.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Also a huge us military presence; it's the US navy center of operations in the Indian ocean. I would assume there is a lot of long range radar & airborne pickets there.
NineMikeCharlie
Dennis Coughlin 1
Wx now is fine all the way KL to CHina. Anyone know what it was at time of event?
Donnytoots
Don Levine 1
Socolta Island (SCT) international airport (Yeman) has a 3,300 meter asphalt landing field which is over 10,00 feet. 8,100 feet is the required distance to land for the B777-200. Most of the flight could have been at a higher altitudes to gain distance while the world's attention was focused on or distracted to where the plane seemed to go off the radar. The risk was that the info from the motor bips would be relayed to the searching parties but such coordination didn't exists so the gamble by the hijackers was a good one. There must have been others on the flight to assist the hijackers get the cell phones or even fly the plane. After landing, the empty plane either was hidden or flew off empty to a nearby place to be hidden. The passengers are probably well secured on the beautiful island. My guess the plane will be repainted similar to a US airline and used as a long ranged bomber. I hope the first part of the theory is correct so the passengers are safe. The second part is the scary part.
RayKlotkowski
Ray Klotkowski 1
I'm in agreement with the rapid decompression and the resulting hypoxia. I also think that one has to continue pondering what could hace gone wrong at the cockpit level. What types of scenarios could have gotten us this far? Is it possible, under the initial stages of hypoxia for a pilot or 1st officcer to reach for a switch only to turn another by mistake. To disable an ACARS, aren't two seperate busses required to turn it off completely?
yr2012
matt jensen 1
The pilots would know that
lbhorton
Larry Horton 1
Can someone explain to me why the transponder in a commercial aircraft has an on off button. Why would you want to turn it off during the normal operation? Just wondering. And, if Rolls can track it engines performance why can't every commercial aircraft do real time uploads of "black box" information? Just pondering...
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Because you have 2 transponders, you either switch to one or the other.. If you have a failure, you need to be able to turn it off.
lbhorton
Larry Horton 1
okay thanks.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
Because you don't need it operating on the ground. Tower controllers can see you.
captjimfuller
Jim Fuller 1
to reset 'em, I hear ATC requesting a reset when one is suspect.
StarFlyr
StarFlyr 1
This whole story sounds like a James Bond plot. I'm wondering IF there was foul play (hijackers/rogue pilot(s), how it was kept from the passengers/flight attendants? I would think this operation would LIGHT up everyone's cell phones in the cabin a la the 9/11 flights. From the map, it looks like there would have been a lot of time within cell phone range of towers to let the ground know what was going on.

Very strange situation. With all the media screening the detail about turning off the transponders, we will be hearing about that in future hijackings.
yr2012
matt jensen 1
I assume the reason the AWACS are on station btwn Diego Garcia and Thailand are to find the HF squawk from the boxes. So far nothing - which to me indicates the jet is NOT in the water.
Quackers
Quackers 1
Its nearing mid day out there. Should be bright. We'll be hearing about wreckage on land (*if it happened over land) soon. Water, thats another story
chick3nnn
Eddie Ng 1
tht route mostly land and mountains....await for the latest update
pany
Sabino Escobedo 1
It's a misfortune that the plane involved in this incident is a Malaysia Airlines aircraft. MH is a good and serious airline. Please don't blame them for not getting appropriate information from the government to give to the families of those onboard MH370. It happens everywhere, government officials are just inefficient and as they do not know what they are doing at their jobs, they just interfere with the good faith efforts of the airline, also trying to find out what happened or what is going on.
My best wishes to MH in their investigations.

I still hope that the plane flew more than 5 hours after it disappeared from radars and landed safely with every passenger onboard somewhere in a clandestine runway in Somalia or somewhere else........ at least for all of them to be alive now. My prayers for all passengers on board.....
captjimfuller
Jim Fuller 1
Back to the basics...
I have noticed differing posting of the last 10 or so flight data points. The original postings in the early days of this event display the last 2 updates with a flight level of zero(0). The recent postings and news reports I've seen in the media seems to fill in those two values with the same 35,000ft as the rest of the 10 updates rather than the original reports of zero.

This maybe a key oversight. And why so many "experts" are focusing on other areas. I believe the last two reports of zero for altitude along with a constant reading for air speed may provide insight.

1. Is the SPEED input to the TRANSPONDER from a PITOT tube based system or another source, say GPS?

2. If it is PITOT tube based, does it share any sub-system component with the PITOT tube based system providing the ALTIMETER input to the transponder?

3. Once that is established a look at relative placement of the two pitot tubes, common power bus connections to the different/same modules, etc. could be analyzed.

4. Many failure possibilities for a perfectly functioning altimeter would produce erratic readings or at least none-zero reading. For an alt. that has ceased to work, the transponder or the system will fill in "zero's" in the data packet.

The fact that the transponder is instantaneously reporting zero while the a/c is 7 miles high in the sky is a key piece of information. The lack of radio reports while the transponder is still working would indicate an in-cabin event which precluded a radio report. Then over a three minute period the transponder ceases reports all together.

It looks like this geographical area is where transponder updates become sketchy as some historic tracks lose data up to a point just short of reaching the Vietnam coast.

All of this points to a rapidly deteriorating electrical system in the aircraft.

The oil rig observation is interesting. The observer is over 300 nm away but it is a dark, cloudless night. His observation of a burning plane would be down near the horizon. But his comment that, from his vantage point, he could perceive no lateral motion lends credibility to his report as we know the plane had just turned more in his direction, head on along with the indication that the event took place much further away than it appears.

If one of those US destroyers in the area is ASW equipped they should run their towed array sonar along 060 to 075 from LKP. The idea it was still in the air for 4 hrs lacks any published data... same as the "military radar" theory. Lets see some data.
Dogone
Dave Barkdoll 2
Jim, transponders only report altitude. At least all the ones I am familiar with. The speed seen on radar scopes is computed internally in the ATC system.
captjimfuller
Jim Fuller 1
great! tks! So the Xpndr worked for up to 3 minutes after the altimeter failed to the extent that it couldn't communicate with the Xpndr or it's error checking told it to report an error message for the last 2 reports. Anyone know the i/f format for these modules? 485, 232, 422/3??? X="trans"
dllbmedia
D. Benjamin 1
This thing is DEFINITELY NOT in the ocean. This thing is going to get very interesting... very quickly. Guaranteed big developments about this incident will be revealed within 72 hours. Watch what happens next..
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Maybe a Suicide terrorist, maybe crew even involved took the plane and ditched it in the ocean (like Scully did on the Hudson) keeping the plane in tack and sinking to the bottom... It would be all in once piece, nothing floating, no fragments. It would be very difficult to do, but not impossible... I do agree that this would be hard, but certainly not impossible. Would be a huge terrorist event.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Might the engines respond to satellite pings if afloat, or would they short out?
rc136561
Richard Chandler 1
I agree with your comment $250,000,000.00 just don't vanish without a trace. Given the fact this particular aircraft has 3 not 1 or 2 battery back-ups to the transponder. This device measures airspeed tail identification altitude ETC. Also their is navigation system that constantly feeds data to Malaysia Airlines. Also I don't think the Malaysian Govt. is telling NSTB everything they know.

P.S. Most importantly last words from the cock pit "Goodnight goodbye we are entering Vietnam Airspace."
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 1
Just because it was lost in Vietnam airspace doesn't mean it was lost overland, the flight route takes it directly over the Gulf of Tonkin, which may still be in Vietnam Airspace.
MichealBeven
Micheal Beven 1
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donnaimvu
Brid Mcdonell 1
Anything yet as to what happened?
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Will take awhile; but debris pattern should quickly show if the fuselage was intact on impact or not. If not, then debris would have to be brought up and tested. I think a lot will depend on the water depth at the site.
RECOR10
RECOR10 1
So it was reported that it landed - and now it didnt?
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
The airline also announced the last known location of the doomed flight was 06.5515 longitude, 103.3443 latitude — an area of the South China Sea, roughly 100 miles northeast of the Malaysian port city of Bachok and several hundred miles northeast of Kuala Lumpur International Airport, according to Google Maps. NBC News First published March 10th 2014, 9:19 pm
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
Depth is 40 60 meters depending on the area, based on the chart found at:
http://www.nauticalchartsonline.com/chart/zoom?chart=93010
TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 1
So 160-175 feet should make this a very easy find.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Is that past the depth for scuba gear?
tduggan2010
Tim Duggan 1
Advanced divers can go that deep, especially using rebreather gear, or with exotic air mixtures. (It's called "technical diving" and is a specialized skill). The question, though, will be visibility issues, in the specific location.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Is it safe to assume that Naval Search & Rescue teams would have this capability? Hadn't thought of the visibility issue.
EileenBoe
Eileen Boe 1
Did anyone see this?
"Warning of ‘possible terrorist attack on China’ received by Taiwan days before Malaysia Airlines jet vanished"
http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1445314/warning-possible-terrorist-attack-china-received-taiwan-days-malaysia
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 1
I wonder why they are spending so much effort to search the Straight of Malacca, which is on the other side of Malaysia and Thailand.
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 1
In fact it seems they are searching a larger area of the Straight of Malacca than the Gulf of Thailand, very odd.
risgoh
Ris Goh 1
Probably military radar showed an un-id aircraft flying thru there.
DVCal
Doug Kincaide 1
Why would the pilot turn around and fly the other way, why would he not make radio contact if something is wrong. Something is very odd.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Simple. They've found nothing in the immediate vicinity of where they believe MAS370 went down.

So assume that it didn't go down, and obviously didn't make it to ZBAA. By the time it hit the site where they lost contact, that was what.. 2 hours into the flight? If so, they had 7.5 hours of fuel onboard. 2 hours in leaves them roughly 5.5 hours of fuel left. Using the place they lost contact as the center, you could draw a circle around that center, based on the distance of however long 5.5 hours of fuel could fly them. That would be the maximum amount of area they would need to search. That could get them as far north as Beijing, as far west as Chennai, or Sri Lanka, and as far south as Bali. we know they turned to a 330 heading before falling off the scopes, so that puts them going towards Myanmar or Bangladesh. Hence why they are starting their search in that direction.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Has the course change to 330 been verified? What I've read suggests there was some confusion on this point; they seemed to be hedging on whether or not there had been a change.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
It is now generally accepted that the plane had traveled about an hour when it went missing. The confusion early on suggesting a potential 2-hour elapse of flight time prior to loss of contact, was likely due to the time zone difference between Malaysia and Vietnam.

So they'd still have 6 1/2 hours of fuel left after 1 hour of flight.
tyketto
Brad Littlejohn 1
Even better. That stretches that radius out even further for the maximum area they would need to search. Since some of that could reach land, I don't know if they checked into suitable airports that could take a B772 landing there.

Bangkok, Phuket, Dhaka, Chennai, Colombo, Bali, Timor, and it's a stretch, but Darwin would even be within range.

Granted, ATC would have piped up and said something, but that does help them with widening the search.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
As it turns out the Malaysian military did track the plane until 2:40. That extra hour the plane traveled over the peninsula and they last saw it on radar several hundred miles NE of KL.

So were back to 5 1/2 radius, but from a new starting point.
Jenkloss
Jennifer Kloss 1
I am a member of this website because I have a flying phobia. I fly about twice a year and use flight aware while on the plane to track my flight. Stories like this make me even more terrified, yet I'm drawn to them. It's quite a mystery too so certainly that too is keeping my interest. All those commenting who really do seem to be aviation enthusiasts... Will this keep you from flying? are you as scared as I am ?
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 2
You should remember, that as we discuss the investigation of this incident, how rare these accidents are.

In decades of flying, the 777 has only been in 2 accidents with fatalities (if this turns out that the Malaysia plane did in fact crash resulting in one or more deaths). The other was the Asiana 214 crash at SFO last July that resulted in 3 deaths.

There are so many millions of flights every year, and nearly every single one ends just fine.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
odds are a lot higher of being hit by a car when crossing the street.
ice21
ice21 1
Another false report??? Any photos to confirm it?
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
Question for the pros: isn't dispatch/operations control able to track their aircrafts by GPS? If trucking fleets have GPS installed to track all their activity why wouldn't airlines have that as well? Thanks.
sparkie624
sparkie624 2
No, GPS is for on board navigation only, and inputs to the FDR, not sent via Down-link. Also, ACARS does not immediately send, it only sends data every 5 minutes or so.
andriy17
Andriy Tsyupka 1
donnaimvu
Brid Mcdonell 1
So sad....a plane so 'up to date' a routine flight, would take such a hurtfull turn
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Questions; possible confusion on my part. Who had last radio contact with the flight?
ATC or Company radio?
What location had last radar contact with the flight?
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Looking for opinions... I think I know how to make a 777 to totally disappear without a trace... Opinions please!

Suppose it was taken over by Hijackers/Terrorist. They then take over the cockpit and kill everyone onboard. 2nd they smooth land the plane on the water like Scully did in the Hudson and keeping the plane in tack, committing suicide let the plane sink... All the floatables would be contained in the fuselage... The fuel tanks being almost full and sealed fuel caps would explain why there is no oil slick... Or at least not yet, Once the plane is found, then the terrorist group will claim victory, The longer it takes the more attention it will draw and bigger victory for the HiJackers... Also, with that much fuel, they could have turned the a/c off course to further delay things. Can anyone think of anything else... The pilot could have even been in on the entire scheme.
joelwiley
joel wiley 1
It would take a lot of resources. Intimate 777 expertise to know what all to shut off, radar coverage by multiple countries' military to avoid, collusion at the originating airport. Say you did gain control and silence the craft, drop to low elevation to go under radar etc, what would be the range with fuel on board? Try to envision shoreside landing spot where nobody would notice within that range.

That would imply the resources of a nation-state or the equivalent.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
They were estimated to have 5 hours on board... They would have had a min of 3 hours to work with... Not thinking of bring it on shore.. talking about ditching it like Capt Scully did with Airbus on the Hudson after he lost both engines... Then just let it sing all in one piece.
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Not very likely; water landings are very tricky.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
Nothing else seems to be likely either... To use a phrase from Star Trek Mr. Spock: "If you have looked at the most most probable cause, it may be the least probable cause". Paraphrased, but you get the jest of it.
PhotoFinish
PhotoFinish 1
> "water landings are very tricky."

Especially in the darkness of night.